uh oh calling out hasan

[u/jw2343952]

[u/DontBanMe_IWasJoking]

Ethan Bin Beefin

[u/dwarffy → u/DontBanMe_IWasJoking]

I'd be pretty frustrated myself when a huge chunk of what I'd consider fans from overlapping with hasan start calling my wife a baby killer.

Especially when Hasan himself starts justifying their insanity when I asked for his help

EDIT: and then those "fans" start trying to gaslight me in the very thread among others by trying to say im somehow the one acting unhinged

[u/Tdizzlefizzle1 → u/dwarffy]

Still fairly comical he says he wasn’t looking at his chat “at all” when there’s not a single chance even in this instance that’s true.

Hasan constantly screams at his chat for a living and I’m supposed to believe he isn’t checking chat or able to moderate what they say?

[u/Madpup70 → u/Tdizzlefizzle1]

Half his schtick is pulling up things people say in chat to highlight it. No way he doesn't know what's going on in his chat.

[u/mycologicalinterest → u/Tdizzlefizzle1]

Not only that, but he has called out XQC for not moderating his chat better and not shutting down chatters shifting on Hasan. I believe Hasan said "what kind of friend let's this happen in their community/chat" or something along those lines and held xqc responsible for his chat for being mean to him lmao

Then Ethan calls out Hasan for the exact same thing and Hasan is all "I can't control what they say, I have no influence over chatters, it's not my fault that they react to your views this way"

[u/AtleastIthinkIsee → u/dwarffy]

Thanks for posting this. For whatever reason I didn't watch it. Ethan specifically cites this mod and their behavior and this was almost a year ago.

I think I'm finally starting to understand his frustration and this resentment that's been building over time.

[u/HingleMcCringle_ → u/AtleastIthinkIsee]

For whatever reason I didn't watch it.

i didn't watch it either, but that's because it's about 9 hours

[u/AtleastIthinkIsee → u/HingleMcCringle_]

I had it on in the background for the last couple hours and like Ethan said, they kept going on in circles with certain talk points, and Ethan was getting more and more frustrated.

And it just signifies that there's no real unified answer to this to where all sides are good and everybody's happy.

I do think Ethan and Hila offer a unique perspective having lived in Israel, Hila in particular. And I can't even imagine how awful it's been for them being accused and harassed both in person and online for things which they have nothing to do with. And it certainly doesn't help that Hasan does seem reluctant to address his mod's behavior that helps fuel it. Calling Hila a terrorist and a baby killer has become a mainstay because people let this shit fly and that's completely unwarranted.

I'm watching clips of Ethan calling out certain people after he's explained his points and positions and the one is still doing the same shit a year later. Again, I'm beginning to understand it.

[u/LarLarBinkz → u/AtleastIthinkIsee]

I lost over 100 subscribers for making a yt video in defense of Ethan. Not bc of the subject of the video but bc they’ve been labeled as zionists when they’ve literally spelled it out multiple times that they condemn the genocide in Palestine. It’s just sad because in certain circles, their responses will never be good enough no matter how many times they address that they’re not zionists

[u/TheRedditHasYou → u/dwarffy]

It's especially frustrating to watch when Hasan himself expects others to moderate their chat behaviour

And this is not even his chat, but a "friend" and "Moderator" the double standards is so frustrating.

[u/Jiggahash → u/TheRedditHasYou]

It's like his biggest criticism of Vaush and Destiny yet he does the same shit. Some how he escapes the debate bro label though.

[u/emmav236 → u/dwarffy]

Yup!!!! People need to understand that Ethan is a human too and is allowed to express his beliefs and opinions. Of course sometimes they’re misinformed and not true, but that’s what being a human is about.

[u/Latenighredditor → u/dwarffy]

Yeah I thought leftovers was good until Hasan stated his views on Ukraine and Taiwan

At that point I was thinking man hopefully they don't get into a convo about Israel and then Oct 7th happened.

Ethan has a 2 state view repping both Israel and Palestine while Hasan has a one Palestinian state view.

I knew it wouldn't last but didn't realize how nasty Hascord would get with Hila who is pro-palestine AFTER being in the IDF.

And I wanted Leftovers to end so hascord can stop brigading this subreddit and when they see my post history and see I commented on Destiny's subreddit they just block me lol.

I comment in all lefty subreddits btw secular_talk, leftist, socialdemocracy, themajorityreport, thedavidpakmanshow, destiny, etc.

I would comment in Hasan_piker too but they permabanned me cause I disagreed with dear leader on his shitty Ukraine take and criticized how he hasn't re-assessed his foreign policy approach after being wrong about the invasion.

[u/Fickle_Argument7777 → u/Latenighredditor]

Don't forget Hasan totally downplaying the Uyghur concentration camps, that was fucking rich.

[u/Latenighredditor → u/Fickle_Argument7777]

Him talking about re-education camps was wild lol

[u/theschizopost → u/DontBanMe_IWasJoking]

I refuse to call it "beef" when the other party is defending Osama fucking bin laden

[u/redtom02]

You know what, I’m gonna say it, I have beef with osama bin Laden

[u/Non_Fungible_Tolkien → u/redtom02]

All my homes hate Osama bin Laden

[u/itsmymedicine → u/Non_Fungible_Tolkien]

Perfect opportunity to get Pete Davidson on the pod

[u/Strangest_Implement → u/redtom02]

On that note, I have beef with Hitler. The more I learn about him, the more I think that he was a real jerk.

[u/InfoBarf → u/Strangest_Implement]

Someone should go back in time and get Hitler accepted into art school.

[u/Appropriate_Big_4593 → u/Strangest_Implement]

Real knucklehead that guy

[u/InfoBarf → u/redtom02]

Obama voice  Osama bin Laden wasn't a good dude.

[u/SirWusel → u/redtom02]

As a community, we've bin laden Osama off the hook for too long

[u/djkoolybop → u/redtom02]

Are you sure you’re not just jealous of him?

[u/BxLorien]

A second plane has hit the building

[u/After_Insurance1693 → u/BxLorien]

The Five Billion Compound.

[u/Shoddy-Rip8259]

Lunchtime!

[u/Shyiiiiiiiiit → u/Shoddy-Rip8259]

Ssssssomebody stop meehhhhhh!

[u/appleparkfive → u/Shoddy-Rip8259]

The thing is... He's not wrong. I like Hasan and miss Leftovers, but the way he sort of hand waved some things rubbed me the wrong way.

What made it more infuriating is that any time Ethan had a valid point, Hasan would just call it "unproductive" and move on to something else. (I'm not saying that Ethan was right on every single thing, by the way. But he had good sincere points for quite a few of those things)

The way that Hasan sort of bypassed Frogan, and also what Second Thought said on that podcast, was disappointing. It seems like Hasan doesn't see Frogan in the same light as everyone else does. She's a sycophant, from what I can tell

As a side note: Fuck that Second Thought guy. Talking down about the Israeli people that died on Oct 7, then laughing about it, is fucking insane shit. A couple days after it happened. Never wanted to knock someone out due to words, but man that one is close to making me want to.

[u/Shoddy-Rip8259 → u/appleparkfive]

(lunchtime)

[u/itsmymedicine → u/Shoddy-Rip8259]

THEYRE EATING....

[u/Shoddy-Rip8259 → u/itsmymedicine]

THE DOGS

[u/blamesoft]

ugh everything about this is going to insufferable

[u/Full-Elderberry-8208 → u/blamesoft]

Yeah, I want funny stuff not a 3 hour rant about a bunch of Twitter users I've never heard of and don't care about :(

[u/Copacetic_ → u/Full-Elderberry-8208]

This is the new internet. Microdrama and micro influencers.

[u/thoshi → u/blamesoft]

Took a look at the Hasan subreddit and there's a bunch of h3 snarkers in there stirring the pot.

I see in this thread and others a bunch of Destiny fans stirring the pot.

Confirmed it's insufferable lol.

Man, I like Ethan and Hasan. Haters gotta ruin everything.

[u/KB1967]

Just a reminder for everyone before the place gets very toxic with multiple fan bases coming in, the side of politics that will be arguing about this in here are a tiny tiny percentage of the actual world, they are just very loud and annoying

[u/TerminallyTrill → u/KB1967]

This is 100% true. I am active in a lot of community organizing and very leftist junk… I have never heard this type of brain rot in person. It’s solely on these internet weirdos. You go talk to real people and you change up very quickly.

They honestly have soft hands

[u/Dyljim → u/KB1967]

Hasan fans have been causing irreparable discourse within online politics for 5+ years, despite Hasan's efforts.

They're mouth frothing fanatics with a fictional scope of the reality of politics and the rhetoric needed to sway voters. A literal cancer in an otherwise positive movement.

[u/BRRGSH → u/Dyljim]

I am a Hasan fan and can confirm.

Sad reality is that all politics on the internet have a bunch of weirdos who are the loudest that will demand you being what's "perfect" in their eyes.

[u/nullemon → u/BRRGSH]

Also watch a lot of Hasan. One of my fave things is whenever someone says something obscenely reductivist and auto-pilot leftist and Hasan calls them out for missing the nuance. Kind of feels like that is what is happening here. Their standard seems to be “x is right, y is wrong” while I actually see Hasan saying “both x and y suck, why are you like this?” I haven’t followed this discussion too much, but isn’t the take actually “both Bin Laden and Western imperialism sucks - the end”?

[u/Odd_Net9829 → u/nullemon]

The problem isn’t that this is just some unhinged or dumb viewer of his. It is his mod who represents his community and when she says unhinged stuff and Hasan doesn’t say anything bad about what she says, it becomes an endorsement of her behaviour.

[u/nullemon → u/Odd_Net9829]

I would agree with this.

[u/Fast_Independence_77]

I think it’s best if Ethan just blocks frogan on all platforms. It brings nothing but trouble and negativity. Engaging with her has brought him nothing but nastiness.

[u/Jailhousecherub → u/Fast_Independence_77]

To be clear he has blocked her on all platforms and as far as I know Ethan doesn’t even use Twitter anymore

I can almost promise that other people were stoking the flames and sending this to him.

[u/ILikeMyGrassBlue → u/Jailhousecherub]

I think he said a little while back that he still looks at stuff sometimes but doesn’t contribute at all. I just remember Dan getting annoyed that Ethan couldn’t fully cut the cord lol.

[u/WalterPecky → u/Jailhousecherub]

This whole thing started with Ethan screenshotting a tweet.

I'm pretty confident he is still very much on Twitter.

[u/DeadbeatIron961 → u/Jailhousecherub]

“Doesn’t use twitter”

No he just screenshots shit and posts it on his instagram. The man has an addiction lmaooo

Osama bin Laden post had nothing to do with him. But he should know that twitter would respond if he did.

[u/thenolancut → u/Fast_Independence_77]

Tbf Frogan took a screenshot of Ethan’s ig story and posted it on Twitter to say he needs to shut up

[u/GlassMostlyRelevant]

Frogan to Ethan is clip bag chips from mahjong lady to Donna

[u/SniffMySwampAss]

Next H3 show: "I'm officially coming out against Osama Bin Laden"

[u/ZigZag82]

Here we fucking go

[u/ConfusedFud]

Is this because of the North Star Radio video?

[u/Marcarse]

That’s it… someone gotta say it. I’m starting to think this Osama guy was a pretty bad dude!!!

[u/ribbonskirt]

Hasan has literally said on multiple occasions that Osama bin laden was horrible and should not be idolized by anybody

[u/ganbyt21 → u/ribbonskirt]

How does anyone even have to say this? Surely it’s just something people know and move forward from. This whole conversation is so bizarre.

[u/brigister → u/ribbonskirt]

the issue is with him not calling out his mods in a serious manner for being weirdos and extremists, not with his opinion about Bin Laden

[u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

I like Hasan and Ethan

I don't like Frogan

I wish Ethan ignores Frogan a bit more

[u/carissadraws → u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

Yeah also I keep seeing frogan defenders saying “she isn’t even hasan’s mod anymore” which is just factually untrue

[u/Norio41 → u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

I like Hasanand Ethan too, I don't like Frogan

I will keeping watching Hasan clips on Youtube, Fear& Podcast and the H3 Show on YouTube.

[u/cabyll_ushtey → u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

Same, but I'd also like Hasan to actually deal with Frogan.

In my opinion even condemn their behaviour, because it's not only unbecoming of a moderator but also straight up disgusting. Given what role Hasan has, letting it go like he does isn't working, not for him or anyone else besides Frogan themselves.

[u/SeanOfTheDead- → u/cabyll_ushtey]

100%

If anyone on the crew started posting shit like her and engaging with Ethan's friend's communities in the same way it would have 100% been shut down.

Unfortunately the tankie community is very cannibalistic so i think he's scared that he'll fracture his own community if he addresses it in a meaningful way so I'm not super confident it'll happen.

[u/GarryofRiverton → u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

Maybe Hasan should also ignore Frogan? Or maybe chastise her? Or do literally anything to discourage this type of psychopath behavior?

[u/retrospects → u/GarryofRiverton]

He obviously agrees with them. If he didn’t they would not have such a powerful voice and status within his community.

[u/spidermom4 → u/Foreign-Vacation7306]

I think it's hard for Ethan to ignore her because he is hurt that Hasan basically endorses her insane behavior that causes more people to attack him.

[u/pedropedro1]

Ugh why the fuck are we even engaging with frogans nonsense and talking about bin laden? Like this is just gonna be fuel for haters.

[u/griffskry]

Clearly he watched the North Star Radio video on how he was the one who killed leftovers and it resparked his resentment.

[u/ilewolf → u/griffskry]

That’s what I was thinking 

[u/wizard_man420]

I'm not excited for the 30-60 minutes this will eat up on the next show

[u/Pinkishplays → u/wizard_man420]

That's a conservative estimate imo

[u/Kir4_]

Why delete twitter when you're still on twitter.

[u/AwaySample663 → u/Kir4_]

This. This is the right question

[u/BritshFartFoundation]

Oh man the show has finally been good vibes again recently too. Can't wait for a whole 3 hours dedicated to this and have them go over the letter to America again, just like all the recent re-dos of previous topics 🙄😴

[u/moonsicle → u/BritshFartFoundation]

Same, and all the random animal abuse topics and grooming, it’s getting a bit too heavy lately.

[u/zacharykeaton → u/BritshFartFoundation]

Same I've started watching again recently and now Ethan is immediately back to making weird political outbursts

[u/KliffM]

Frogan should just buy Ethan a Rolex and this will all be fixed

[u/nunpho → u/KliffM]

😆

[u/nibsti → u/KliffM]

LOL that's such a great point

[u/Danisdaman12]

Frogan is the loudest and most irrelevant person with an extremely educated, eloquent, and definitely not fueled by edgey angsty "politically charged" fans. I stand here ready to be called a nazi/zionist now after I said literally anything against frogan and her disgusting community.

She sucks and her community is even worse. They want to make a mountain out of a molehill if that can virtue signal just enough for their shit life and disgusting beliefs

[u/skeletonl0ver → u/Danisdaman12]

I think the worst thing is Hasans community acting like she's some uncontrollable entity and this is a direct attack against Hasan by saying he could do anything to control his community. She's his mod. Everyday she's his mod she's shaping what his community can and can't say. And by not removing her he's giving her a voice.

[u/Danisdaman12 → u/skeletonl0ver]

Edit: I have gotten too deep into this. I love the h3 fam and I am a hasanabi head. Frogan sucks and I don't want to just have a shitty hateful argument. I'm just gonna try and walk away and mute the thread.

[u/Rozanskyy → u/Danisdaman12]

But frogan isn’t the only unhinged tankie that Hasan associates with. He’s literally a regular on the deprogram podcast, a disgusting hateful echo chamber

[u/Hecticfreeze → u/Rozanskyy]

The Deprogram podcast is the one where, with Hasan as a guest, just after the October 7th attacks, they were joking about "settler babies" and saying all Israeli civilians, even children, were legitimate targets for "the resistance".

I get why some people have less than favorable views of Israel, particularly under the government they have at the moment, but Hasan openly associates with people who say its acceptable to kill children just because they were born in Israel.

The number of people Hasan calls his political allies who have absolutely insane views is very worrying

[u/Slight_Initiative_36]

Today’s episode is going to be the opposite of a Friday Fun-Day 🫠

[u/picklespickles125]

He needs to actually get off social media. God I don't want to hear another frogan rant tomorrow

[u/Hormiga95 → u/picklespickles125]

I came from the future (9-13-24 5:43 pm) and I regret to inform you, that it happened.

[u/picklespickles125 → u/Hormiga95]

NOR

[u/etaifuc]

I love ethan, I am a long time h3 fan and a hasan fan and i am also jewish. i wish ethan would stop hyper focussing on random hard left people he finds on twitter. in the grand scheme of things the number of committed osama defenders on twitter amount to a tiny tiny tiny percentage of people on the left and they are totally and completely powerless in american and world politics. i’m sorry but i empathize with muslims and arabs who think america sucks. osama bin laden was also obviously a very bad person. but this getting mad at ‘terrorism defenders’ narrative is also clearly about people who oppose Israel’s genocide. if a muslim person says israel is worse than hamas, given the actions of israel in the past year, i do not at all blame them. i’m not sure i even disagree.

getting mad at hasan or ab and lena or anyone for not “putting frogan in check” or whatever is fucking ridiculous

[u/etaifuc → u/etaifuc]

to be clear i think it’s good ethan calls out people that say antisemitic things. but i also wish he spent the energy talking about israel, which is actively conducting genocide

[u/Time-Participant97 → u/etaifuc]

Great comment I agree

[u/mojobobos → u/etaifuc]

I wish H3 fans and Ethan resonated more with you on these sentiments. Perfectly summed it all up, and unfortunately, I don't see this enough - especially in this community.

[u/etaifuc → u/mojobobos]

i think a lot do but those aren’t necessarily the people who are active on the subreddit. I imagine Dan and maybe AB have a similar view on the situation. i dont know if most of the fans are aligned with ethan on this though but i kinda doubt it

[u/AyyLmaoZed0ng]

Thought of Ethan quit Twitter? Using Instagram as Twitter is the loophole I guess. He just needs to unplug because his perception of the amount of Bin Laden supporters is completely skewed.

[u/Wide-Custard6856]

So instead of tweets it’s ig stories now?

[u/MinimalPixelsVII → u/Wide-Custard6856]

Its been this way for a while now. He has been saying he gonna stop Twitter but he doesn't. Every now and then he posts stuff from Twitter on IG and goes on non-issue drama shit. Its clear that there is some sort of addiction on Ethan's part and I hope he can get off from the Twitter train.

Hasan recently mentioned that he doesn't browse Twitter as much other than on Stream and he has been much happier and healthier. Twitter is not good for your health mentally and can even tax you physically if it gets to you too much, especially after Elon's takeover.

[u/Samsquamchadora]

31 and I don't understand why people are still arguing about bin laden. Am I officially getting old? If it only took reading one little speech to change your whole view on a war criminal, you're stupid as shit. Frogan and everyone else- they are so easily swayed and manipulated it's actually incredibly sad to know people do not critically think about anything that they learn as long as it fits their narrative already. In the end though, Ethan should just ignore frogan. She will continually be a baby about whatever you respond to her with.

[u/i_hate_puking → u/Samsquamchadora]

There’s a confluence of factors. We’re at a point where 9/11 was long enough ago to create some psychological distance, a lot of people old enough to participate in the conversation have been born after the immediate shock of the event was felt, and there’s a cultural rebounding from the excessive militaristic jingoism that followed in the wake of the attacks.

These factors don’t have to be bad things in themselves. It’s good when Americans can examine the past actions of our government and criticize them, learn from them, and condemn it when it is responsible for wanton destruction and death like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. What is unfortunate is that these effects seem to be landing us in the territory of people supporting/excusing/justifying bin Laden and his ideology. It feels motivated out of this weird self hatred that a lot of westerners have for themselves where if they condemn themselves hard enough it’ll distinguish them as a free thinker or something.

It’s a shame that an opportunity for Americans self critique goes in this direction. It shouldn’t be hard to look at bin Ladens worldview in the letter to America and say fuck that. He was a misogynist, homophobic fundamentalist theocrat who unambiguously stated that unarmed noncombatants are legitimate targets of war, and that democracy should be put aside in favor of religious law. It shouldn’t be hard to reject that and be critical of US foreign policy at the same time.

[u/adoggman → u/Samsquamchadora]

Nobody is agreeing with bin Laden though. Nobody is defending him.

[u/AstridxOutlaw]

Unironically mean this when I say Dan should have to approve anything Ethan posts

[u/ChaseSequenceSpotify]

But Steve will do it is a cool guy apparently

[u/jw2201]

The whole point of the Osama thing was to show that terrorism doesn’t just pop up out of nowhere, rather people are radicalized due to a variety of different things. No one is literally saying Osama is some great guy unless it’s some 13 year old idiot on tiktok. American imperialism quite literally played a part in how 9/11 came to happen and I don’t get why that’s so hard for people to cope with

[u/SadPandaFromHell]

Shit. I like the idea of Ethan and Hasan being buds a lot more than beefing. I hope he pivots away from this.

[u/RipredTheGnawer → u/SadPandaFromHell]

Same. Frogan needs to listen to Hasan about treating Ethan as an ally instead of nitpicking his extremely vanilla politics.

Ethan is a lib, and a fairly reasonable one. Why can’t she just accept and highlight the common ground they share instead of starting bad blood because his opinions aren’t clones of hers.

There are actual opponents she could be harassing instead of doing all this infighting with people who should be her strongest allies. Think! Frogan, Think!

[u/rachel-frogslinger]

I'm so confused because for the life of me, I cannot find anyone unironically defending Osama bin laden. Obviously there are jokes about "America deserved 9/11" or whatever but that's not actual endorsement.

[u/MemeManAlt → u/rachel-frogslinger]

There was a weekish period where the TikTok algo was heavily circulating some leftists and random "non political" people praising Osama's "Letter to America".

I don't think they're full fledged """Osama bin Laden supporters""". In fact, I think they're probably extremely politically confused. They didn't support Osama out of some political enlightenment, but rather because they heard a cool and edgy "diagnosis" of America's issues on tiktok/twitter and they agreed with parts of it.

Honestly though, it was only predominant for a short time, as TikTok cracked down and the algo pushed us elsewhere. But I don't think it's unfair to say that there were bin Laden defenders. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tiktok-removing-osama-bin-laden-letter-to-america-posts-amid-apparent-viral-trend/

[u/carissadraws → u/MemeManAlt]

It’s really dumb though because can’t we have enough nuance to recognize America’s foreign policy decisions suck while ALSO realizing we don’t have to support what bin Laden says?

It’s not like the points he brought up haven’t been said by other politicians and representatives before, so why can’t we just focus on them instead of the fucking terrorists comments?

[u/deadlypaperbag1]

Their fallout is so sad :( I really enjoyed Leftovers

[u/DirectDragonfruit473]

Imo Ethan should just ignore Frogan, she really doesn’t have that big of an audience

Also yes obviously Bib Laden was bad like wtf, I get what people are getting at when saying the US created the conditions for 9/11 to happen of course, they funded and trained and destabilised the Middle East, and others like the British and French fucked over the Palestinians and then facilitated Israeli occupation which exacerbated this also and that was a big part of Bin Ladens message, but Ethan is also right that he was a religious fundamentalist and stated that as a reason too

As with most historical and political issues, there are complex answers, things aren’t just simple “all bad” or “all good”

Personally I disagree with a lot of Ethan’s takes (capitalism for example) but he isn’t a bad person imo, just a privileged boomer who doesn’t research things very well (with peace and love, genuinely) I do believe he wants to be more progressive and if spoken to with respect will often see the other side and consider it, which is why leftovers worked

(I do also want to add, Ethan chose to insert himself into this “drama” by going after one of Hasans editors, people say crazy shit all the time, you don’t have to respond to it all, tbh I also don’t think he was being pro bin laden, we can condem someone and still understand the complex reasons they got to that point from a human/political perspective, we do that with true crime a lot)

[u/Warmcheesebread]

Bro is in the throws of a 3am crash out because of some random dude posting about Osama Bin Laden. Bro go to bed 😭

[u/420gayspacecommunist → u/Warmcheesebread]

Dude is fighting the ghost of bin laden

[u/Warmcheesebread → u/420gayspacecommunist]

He just found out about 9/11 😔 hasn’t been the same Wednesday.

[u/bluehaven101]

yeah... I'm gonna give today's episode a pass. I'm just here for goofs & gaffs. idk nothing about nobody and i don't wanna know.

[u/ThanatosTheory]

So is Ethan not using Twitter anymore or...?

[u/chiIdishmemebino]

he’s crashing out 😭

[u/tapatoru]

I don't even like Frogan, but is what she said really as bad as Ethan is making it out to be? She basically just told him to shut up. Ethan says far worse things about people on almost every podcast, and you'd think he'd have thicker skin.

Also, what does this have to do with him being Jewish? I used to think he was joking when he threw around antisemitism accusations on the podcast, but now I'm starting to wonder if he believes any disagreement with him is antisemitic.

[u/Goober_Man1 → u/tapatoru]

Ethan’s worst quality is he cannot handle being criticized which is quite ironic since his podcast is mainly calling out other content creators for being idiots

[u/Mamacitia]

I still don’t understand how Hasan is responsible for the behavior of a whole other grown human being. 

[u/runnerofaccount]

Am I missing something? I don’t see anyone saying Osama was a good guy. I don’t see anyone saying Osama wasn’t anti-Semitic. Ethan is fighting no one’s argument.

His commentary on “tankies” is very online brained. That represents such a little group of people. It’s similar to his hang-ups that cause the pod between him and Hasan to fall apart. He would find a random twitter account and freak out. He even challenged Jewish voices for Peace. I genuinely am looking for an answer because right now, to me, it looks like Ethan is being a baby and needs to have twitter blocked on his phone.

[u/Probablymy7thaccount → u/runnerofaccount]

Thank you. He’s straw manning her here. She just is mentioning there’s historical context. Not that he was right.

[u/Pikaboii12]

im confused where did frogan defend bin laden?

[u/ResultUnited]

Ethan make like 5 ig posts trying to say hasans editor is a bin Laden supporter. Frogan tells Ethan to shut up because he is being a reactionary and the person who is her coworker maowow, whom he is replying to isn’t defending bin Laden in anyway shape or form. Ethan doubles down on his reactionary stupidity. Still acting like any of the people he is talking to are actually defending Bin Laden in anyway shape or form. Dude is mad about nothing. Maybe hasan will actually take the kids gloves off on Ethan. Maowow’s response to Ethan on Twitter sums it up perfectly “is there still a chance he might be referring to someone else he made up in his head as the anti-semite trying to rewrite history and not me” he got so mad about a milquetoast post that wasn’t supportive of bin Laden at all.

[u/Feral_Frogg]

So hasan is out, and Stevewilldoit is in huh. Ya, think ima peace out on h3 for a while. Have fun gambling.

[u/p0ppy7]

Ethan continues to push Hasan away but it’s open to building bridges with the worst people on the internet because their associations don’t make them bad people right?? I can’t keep up with his logic, this just reads as very malicious to me.

[u/jurassicjane_ → u/p0ppy7]

Same 😮‍💨

[u/Undeadmasses]

In my opinion this really popped off when Dan debated Ethan at the end of an episode on Socialism. Ethan has always had a hard time understanding what is considered “left wing” and where he falls in the spectrum. He had his brain broken when his own chat/community was telling him he had bad takes on capitalism being the best economic system. Rather than having a nuanced opinion, his takeaway was, lefty equals socialist which equals communist which really means you’re a fringe tankie. The way he trash talks anything with a semblance of being “lefty” and reverts to “I’m a liberal” is what frustrates a lot of his own community. We see a person in real time building bridges with actual allies, only to turn around and burn them and would rather “squash the beef” with dumb ass alpha bros who he will never change their mind on the basis of we have to have to be able to have discussions. Let’s not forget, leftovers began after Hasan and Ethan debated XQC and Train about gambling streams. Sure they were doing shady crypto gambling, but the point was about the influence and exposing their younger, more vulnerable fan base to a vice that is the most deadly. Now H3 is in a gambling era that honestly is so boring. So I think it’s slightly hypocritical for Ethan to feel as if he is taking a moral stance and wasting his time instead creating beef with people that are far more aligned with his views then who he is choosing to squash the beef with.

I also don’t think people remember that AB and Lena are friends with Frogan.

Final note. Dan is the queen.

[u/hehehahayepeeedooo → u/Undeadmasses]

I am so keen to hear Dan’s thoughts on this. At the very least he should tell him to delete twitter 😭

[u/ILikeMyGrassBlue → u/hehehahayepeeedooo]

He has, numerous times lol. Ethan said he deleted it, then he revealed later on that he still looks at stuff but doesn’t respond. Dan got annoyed and told him to just give it up entirely.

[u/1Epicocity → u/hehehahayepeeedooo]

2am on a work day and he's debating tankies on Twitter through Instagram 😭

Like you already know you don't agree with them and they don't have large platforms, why engage?

[u/hehehahayepeeedooo → u/[deleted]]

True, and the rants seem to be happening more…

[u/FirstTimeTexter_ → u/Undeadmasses]

They are friends with her????

[u/Undeadmasses → u/FirstTimeTexter_]

Yes. When this all drama began almost a year ago, AB said it on more than one occasion. Idk about their status currently but I’m pretty sure the implication was that they didn’t want to insert their opinion for that reason. Which is ironic given Ethan and Hila saying that you can’t not be friends with people with different political views/MAGA.

[u/curiousdryad → u/Undeadmasses]

They just said on the pod Friday it’s not normal to think you can’t associate and be friendly with people of opposite political parties. So their stance changed

[u/Fun-Skin-626]

Even if you thought Bin Laden did what he did purely out of anger for what western countries did to the Middle East, why would you die on a hill defending his actions? He was a complete piece of shit.

[u/tetsukoQ → u/Fun-Skin-626]

I'm not really in the loop of this specific drama but as a staunch leftist, I'm just confused. Wasn't the Bin Ladens literally business partners with the Bush family???? 😭 Even if I some how condoned the attack(I don't) , who did it was just a rich fuck. Plus like the consequences of 911 by the US led to the prior destabling of the middle east by America to just SKYROCKET into a whole new monster and millions more dying. I am so tired of twitch streamer leftists holy shit.

Seriously people are gonna be so pushed away from further exploring leftist thought cause they basically are the poster child while barely even focusing on leftist theory and arguments and immediately turn people off with stuff like this.

[u/schelmo → u/tetsukoQ]

Yes the Saudi binladin group is a multi billion dollar construction company. Osama bin Laden was from an extremely wealthy family. He wasn't some kind of man for the people fighting against genuine struggles of people in the Middle East. He just used those struggles to justify his religiously motivated terrorism.

[u/Huckleberryhoochy → u/tetsukoQ]

Yea hes the son of a sadi oil baron , he was rich as fuck

[u/Fearless_Agent_4758 → u/Huckleberryhoochy]

Most revolutionaries are disaffected rich kids paternalistically LARPing as men of the people. This is true throughout history.

[u/NewOstenPelicanss → u/Fun-Skin-626]

Made by the USA

[u/Angie-P]

maybe its because im a little drunk but dude stfu and stop this drama stoking. hes got a weird case for this chick, you dont like her? move the fuck on, why burn your shit with hasan over an employee of his fucking hell.

no i dont like frogan either but this comes off as obsessing over her ngl.

[u/kayabusa]

But why call out Hasan? Isn’t Ethan all about having friends/acquaintances that you don’t “agree with” on separate issues? It’s like Hasan having beef with Whitney Cummings for her transphobia and then calling out Ethan for still being friends with her.

[u/call_me_zero]

I’m exhausted

[u/Youcancallmelc]

Am I missing something but since when did Ethan go from joking about 9/11 on the pod to this passion for hating Bin Laden? And why does he even care about Frogan? Seems he’s just pissed with Hasan tbh. Anyway, glad we’ve burnt a bridge with someone the audience like, only to rebuild them with mysogonistic alpha bros who were nice at a poker game one time. Ethan, you make it hard to love you sometimes. Oh and I’m a member fyi, so this really is said with peace and love (and a lot of frustration)

[u/sage_charms]

I’m saying this as someone who flew halfway across the country to attend one of their live shows. Hasan will win me in the divorce. Hasan has been personally nothing but nice to Ethan and even bans his name from his discord and chat. Just be a grown man and ignore frogan. God.

[u/SikiJackson_]

Maybe I missed it but I don’t see where frogan was defending bin Laden that justifies Ethan’s angry reaction.

[u/Warmcheesebread → u/SikiJackson_]

None of the screenshots of tweets were defending Osama bin Laden lol one tweet turned him into 2003 George Bush

[u/woody630]

Ethan is a literal child if he thinks any of her statements defended bin laden. Pretty rich of him to claim crocodile tears when he is constantly playing the victim

[u/BookOfJoey]

What I find funny about all this is that Hasan has been defending Ethan on his streams since the end of Leftovers.

[u/Additional-Bad7094]

Hasan has never said anything negative about Ethan and even showed compassion and understanding when Ethan was saying the dumbest shit about Palestine (like saying “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free” is antisemitic). Im a fan of H3 and Hasan but I can’t stand Ethan was when he does this stuff. Hasan has been so mature and has avoided talking about Ethan since leftovers ended. Ethan is acting like a child

[u/Crystal3lf → u/Additional-Bad7094]

I don't understand what Ethan expects Hasan to do about Frogan's opinions. Their her opinions, not his. Does he expect Hasan to tell her to stfu? She's her own person. Hasan isn't her dad.

It would be so weird if Hasan started telling Ethan's friends/employees what to do because he didn't like what they're doing. Like what?

Imagine if Hasan had a go at Ethan publicly when he was laughing at QTCinderella deepfakes.

[u/ObjectiveGolf8914]

The man is now becoming friends with maga supporters who literally are pro oppression racism sexism homophobia antisemitism war anti science and logic really etc. so are we keeping the same energy toward Ethan and Hila?? Because hes standing by people who’s party and politics would not think twice and are actively working to roll back the clock and see my people lynched and in chains again so what does that say about Ethan?? What does that say about his community and who he builds with?? Not some just in the community or a mod but homies.. ok Ethan haha

[u/riptide032302]

She just said that he never shuts up. She wasn’t even defending bin Laden or whatever in the replies. Really disappointing, since Hasan’s been nothing but kind to Ethan on camera and behind the scenes. I don’t really care who you’re a fan of, but Ethan’s being a pretty bad friend, when he could’ve just ignored frogan and moved on.

[u/Hoppydapunk]

Ethan has the worst vibes when he checks Twitter. I wish he'd just stay TF off it

[u/UnfilteredSan]

Pretty shitty that Ethan is making it seem like Frogan, and by extension, Hasan, support Bin Laden lmao.

Frogan is whack imo, but Ethan blaming Hasan is super corny.

[u/KFritos]

Wow Mao, Hasan, Frogan none of these people are stanning OBL. Ethan once had a conversation with Hasan forever ago about why he said his infamous America Deserved 9/11 line. He ought to know history is more complicated then "Letter to America" if you take that nonsense screed at face value you doom America to not truly learning and having another deadly attack possibly happen.

[u/ItsJustAPoleThang]

Did Frogan said anything to Ethan regarding this that made him post this? Cause I’m kinda confused why he brought up Hasan regarding something Frogan said that he didn’t like?

[u/Useful_Television171]

I'm confused. Hasan hasn't said or done anything to start any kind of beef. It seems like this has been living rent free in Ethan's mind for a while now. He just needs to move on, versus instigating drama here. I don't understand how splitting the H3 community further will help things.

[u/vomversa]

FFS all this twitter shadowboxing has to stop. Either go on twitter and directly argue with these people or just touch grass and ignore it. And also stop asking Hasan to control another adult's behavior. Ethan already got upset at Moses crying to his mom and then turns around and treat Hasan like he is Frogan's dad.

Hasan is nobody's daddy, at best he can be the mediator between your feud with Frogan.

[u/bandwidthslayer]

and we’re back at the point where ethan can’t get along with lefties and constantly associates himself with out and out conservatives. great lol

[u/gwoolman50]

This just seems like it should’ve been a text to hasan not a post on his story. I love both hasan and h3 it’s like seeing my two gay dads fight I hate it lol

[u/LZK_MEDIA → u/gwoolman50]

Ethan said he has talked to Hasan directly the last time Frogan interjected herself into victimized at Ethans expense.

[u/gwoolman50 → u/LZK_MEDIA]

I totally get his frustration with frogan and I’ll even go as far as to say hasan shouldve said something to her by now if he hasn’t but I still don’t understand what getting both fanbases involved helps with

[u/monster-baiter → u/gwoolman50]

edit: not disagreeing with you, just expanding on what you said.

hasan has made the clear statement that he will not censor his mods or his editors. thats just what it is, i understand disagreeing with this on principle but from a leftist perspective, if hasan would start telling people who work for him what they can or cant say that would be a bit of a problem. the only step he could take is fire her as a mod and i think that is too drastic. he may or may not have asked her to tone it down behind the scenes but i doubt that as well, hasan isnt known for tone policing marginalized people.

at the end of the day, frogan is her own person. the mindset that hasan should tell her what not to say comes from a hierarchical idea of worker-employer relationships which hasan does not subscribe to.

edit: and i hate to say it but this hierarchical mindset of censoring people who work for you is kind of what makes ethan an easy target of that attack in a way too. he demands that hasan censor his mod because in ethans eyes thats a valid request. so now people think that ethan might censor his own employees as well which is an accusation he frequently deals with. again im not saying i do or dont think that. im just pointing out a dynamic im witnessing, i personally dont think we have enough information that would indicate ethan does that at all. especially since they do sometimes disagree with him

[u/Ordinary_Cat2758 → u/monster-baiter]

I think Hasan is particularly sensitive about Frogan and he would totally censor most of his other mods if they acted like Frogan, but because Frogan is Frogan and always acting out, the bar is on the floor for his mods.

The reason I think he is sensitive about it is because him and Frogan have actually very much had arguments in the past about religion, and I think he is sensitive to her plight as a Muslim woman so essentially refuses to do anything about her.

I think if Ethan's employees were instigating an online feud with a friend of the show and saying half the nonsense Frogan does, they would be talked to about ruining show relationships and being unprofessional.

[u/drt0 → u/monster-baiter]

She's his mod, gets invited on his streams, she represents his community.

He's argued many other times that streamers have a responsibility in shaping their communities according to their values, then suddenly he abdicates all responsibility and capability to moderate his own community when they attack Ethan and Hila.

[u/BabyK64]

while i find frogan very annoying (one of the few content creators i dont like) hasan has done everything he can to protect ethan’s image and i believe hasan has rightly done so seeing ethan’s heart is in the right place. hasan probably won’t respond to this.

maybe to avoid drama hasan should just call in. ethan has to be charitable though

leftovers is my personal 9/11

[u/fijesedeque]

This is so dumb. The only people that are getting something good about this are Ethan and Hasan haters.

Getting angry over this is the most "I have tooooooo muuuuch time in my hands" problem. No matter the side you take, this is duuuuuumb.

I would love leftovers to comeback, but it's impossible... Hasan can't control and does not want to control anyone over their CONVICTIONS, and Ethan can't let go of anything he is just like that.

They will never change they are old adults. Stop feeding the haters if you care about the other person that's it.

[u/Suspicious_Grape_824]

Oh dear, does this mean today's episode is going to be awful bad vibes where it feels like we're all being yelled at by Dad again? I can't take another stern and awkward episode like that.

[u/Jolly_Economist_9944]

Look I’m a fan of both of them but if Ethan’s mods were held responsible in the same way he holds Hasan’s responsible it wouldn’t be very good for him. It just doesn’t make sense, I don’t think mods need to perfectly parrot the values of the person they’re working for?

[u/jurassicjane_]

He's mad at hasan for not controlling his audience but Ethan kinda does the same. For example with the Adam thing. Colleen victims were getting attacked and Ethan said I don't think our fans would do that and not much more. Hasan yells at his fans to stop being weird all the time.

[u/SpecificAd5166]

There's something fascinating watching this community go from loving Hasan to turning on him.

At this point I don't think Hasan can even stop Frogan from being Frogan.

[u/DankrudeSandstorm]

He is shadow boxing at this point. The initial tweet wasn’t even defending Osama Bin Laden and he has added all this extra meaning to it. No idea what’s going on with him. I have no idea where this association is coming from if it’s solely from the initial tweet that set Ethan off.

Edit: Always check accounts and if they are brigading from r/Destiny before responding. The two response I got came seconds apart and are both from that sub. I even got a response from someone active in the subs for LSF, Asmongold, and Destiny.

No such thing as a coincidence

[u/Sherm199 → u/DankrudeSandstorm]

Yeah that's what I'm confused about. Like... I don't know anything about Frogan or the others in the tweets, but how is what they're saying defending Osama, or saying he wasn't antisemitic?

I'm just so confused who Ethan is arguing against here

[u/DankrudeSandstorm → u/Sherm199]

I don’t know either. A lot of people in this sub are running with it because Frogan has obviously been annoying in the past (so easy to not give the benefit of the doubt to) but Ethan is the only one bringing up Osama Bin Laden because he didn’t understand the original tweet. I would even say maliciously misunderstanding it…

[u/Sherm199 → u/DankrudeSandstorm]

Like, I'm sure some people are defending Osama, because it's the internet and you can always find insane people.

But like... Are the people in these tweets doing it? Or is Ethan seeing other tweets with it... If so why didn't he post those?

IF Frogan is truly defending Osama, I'd say Ethan was doing the right thing... But I just don't see where she's doing that.

Im hesitant to call Ethan malicious, but it's getting harder to argue against

[u/DankrudeSandstorm → u/Sherm199]

That’s what I mean. I’m trying to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Original tweet is clearly saying “Americans don’t think about the role American imperialism had in 9/11” and that is getting twisted into something crazy by Ethan.

Nothing in the tweets were referring to the “letter to America” thing on Tik Tok so I have no idea why it’s being brought up. Like I’m beating around the bush and trying not to jump to Islamophobia is what I’m saying.

[u/onerb2]

Yeah... hope Ethan reeeeeally likes being friends with steiny.

[u/Warmcheesebread → u/onerb2]

lol yeah, the irony of scolding Hasan for being friends with Frogan, when Ethan defends literal trump supporting transphobes.

Steiny, Bradly martin, Bryce hall etc.. "they're good guys, its okay." being chummy with people that are supporting a literal traitor while putting Hasan on blast.

glass house, stones thrown, etc etc...

[u/Leo_Nvz]

Ethan is turning into a new destiny very quickly and it’s concerning… not as debate Lordy but my god does he fall for any bit of bait he sees, much like trump if I must say.

[u/badcat4ever]

I agree with Ethan to a certain extent but I also don’t think he needs to be on twitter AT ALL. I feel like he tends to self-sabotage and tbh if he becomes besties with Destiny next I’m gonna have a hard time continuing to watch the show.

[u/demonwase → u/badcat4ever]

I feel the same. I can agree with Ethan on some stuff but he is (understandably) way too emotional on this situation and should just avoid using social media. Talk about politics with your wife, friends or anyone in private, but don’t say anything publicly until you can make a level headed statement. He is right to voice his opinions, but the way he voices them makes or breaks his arguement…

If he goes back to his centrist opinions and continues this journey of being actual friends with the likes of Steiny etc then I’m out to. I grew up with Ethan, my opinions formed and changed with his and it would be sad to see him take a step back into the direction he came from.

[u/Sherm199]

Any hope of a trump/Kamala reaction leftovers reunion is gone 😭

Maybe this is just my opinion but Ethan was at his funniest with Hasan on leftovers, and it's so sad seeing that's not coming back

[u/Eelmaster11]

Leftovers is so over

[u/s18shtt]

I used to pray for times like these.

[u/Remix018]

Can't wait for the emboldened destiny fans now that something about hasan has been posted. Sigh

[u/Ilana___]

I am huge fan of both and have disagreements with both. I personally do not see some of the antisemitism Ethan's talking about in Hasan's community, but also I don't like that Hasan hand waves frogan's and second thought's actions. I'm more familiar with the frogan stuff, to me both of them overreacted and it snowballed. Despite that I have always felt welcomed as a jew in both communities and the fighting is so ridiculous. Both communities are welcoming and very sweet and supportive when I am in chat or on reddit. We all need to calm down including Frogan and Ethan. But, it is Hasan's responsibility to step in and moderate a discussion.

Conclusion: one person is not a full representation of the community, but its the creators responsibility to foster that community.

[u/BTrane93]

Does this person actually represent Hasan? Or is this someone that works for Hasan and then on their own time is posting whatever or saying whatever they're saying?

[u/Jakovasaurr]

I dont like this

[u/michiskippi]

None of the people ethan addressed were defending osama bin laden. Historical analysis is NOT defending. Bin Laden’s main motivator was always American imperialism. Acting like it was just because of American freedoms is wildly ignorant and feeding into American exceptionalism. Ethan knows better but pretends that anyone with a different opinion than him must mean theyre anti semeitic. Hes a drama baby.

[u/DiglettDiggs]

WTF is a Frogan. Who the fuck cares? Ethan gotta get off this internet beef ish... it's not worth it for real.

Like... there are a lot of serious feelings about the conflict for sure. I get that. But nothing is getting solved by beefing with people on the internet. Probably not a great idea to publically beef with people who've been on your side consistently historically either.

But who am I even.? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/javierich0]

Oh, oh, does Ethan wanna debate Hasan again? It went horribly for him last time, dragging him into an argument where Hasan has nothing to do with is soo dumb. I will never forget. "Jews for Palestine are as bad as Jews who helped the Nazis." And the little "lalalalala can't hear you" move.

[u/empyreanmax → u/javierich0]

I'll personally never forget "find me ONE Jew" and Hasan going "...ok I don't see what this accomplishes but like, here" and Ethan immediately flipping out that Hasan was trying to tokenize Jews by showing him a picture that he LITERALLY just asked to see 15 seconds ago

[u/williebolt]

Frogan livs rent free in Ethan's head

[u/Happy-Forever-3476]

Nothing and I mean nothing h3 related is as bad vibes as this. It’s clearly a sensitive/sore spot for ethan, and in my opinion it makes him act very… not himself. Reactionary. Makes me very sad. Leftovers is how I found and fell in love with h3.

[u/Jaded_Car8642]

Bro Hasan literally has a TF carpet CLEARLY visible in his streams, he had your back after the leftovers-split.

Dont do him like that