In my opinion this really popped off when Dan debated Ethan at the end of an episode on Socialism. Ethan has always had a hard time understanding what is considered “left wing” and where he falls in the spectrum. He had his brain broken when his own chat/community was telling him he had bad takes on capitalism being the best economic system. Rather than having a nuanced opinion, his takeaway was, lefty equals socialist which equals communist which really means you’re a fringe tankie. The way he trash talks anything with a semblance of being “lefty” and reverts to “I’m a liberal” is what frustrates a lot of his own community. We see a person in real time building bridges with actual allies, only to turn around and burn them and would rather “squash the beef” with dumb ass alpha bros who he will never change their mind on the basis of we have to have to be able to have discussions. Let’s not forget, leftovers began after Hasan and Ethan debated XQC and Train about gambling streams. Sure they were doing shady crypto gambling, but the point was about the influence and exposing their younger, more vulnerable fan base to a vice that is the most deadly. Now H3 is in a gambling era that honestly is so boring. So I think it’s slightly hypocritical for Ethan to feel as if he is taking a moral stance and wasting his time instead creating beef with people that are far more aligned with his views then who he is choosing to squash the beef with.
I also don’t think people remember that AB and Lena are friends with Frogan.
He has, numerous times lol. Ethan said he deleted it, then he revealed later on that he still looks at stuff but doesn’t respond. Dan got annoyed and told him to just give it up entirely.
I didn’t even think about the time difference!!! (on the other side of the world) maybe the lack of sleep contributed to this… 🫣🫣🫣 (also what is tankies? Have wanted to ask about that for hours!!!)
It's a term that refers to very far left leaning people that support authoritarian communism.
In this case the usernames are a dead giveaway. One is a reference to Mao Zedong (former leader of the communist party in China) and the other is just comrade.
I see the term used in leftist communities by people describing people more left leaning than themselves. I've also seen it used in a mocking way by right leaning people.
Personally I have no problem with tankies because they generally align with my politics and as an American they have little relevancy in our political climate.
Me too since Dan is the only one on Ethan’s payroll who can REALLY say what he wants. What is Ethan going to do? Fire him??? 😭 Dan is queen Dan can do no wrong
Yes. When this all drama began almost a year ago, AB said it on more than one occasion. Idk about their status currently but I’m pretty sure the implication was that they didn’t want to insert their opinion for that reason. Which is ironic given Ethan and Hila saying that you can’t not be friends with people with different political views/MAGA.
They just said on the pod Friday it’s not normal to think you can’t associate and be friendly with people of opposite political parties. So their stance changed
There’s a difference between being friendly with people who support the opposite political party and being friendly with someone who is enabling the harassment of you and your wife.
I’m honestly struggling with what you’re even trying to say right now in how it ties to what I just said
Edit: I think you misunderstood me. Being disrespected has nothing to do with acknowledging it’s juvenile to not talk to people who don’t align with you 100% politically.
The point of my comment was to highlight the difference between being friendly with someone who holds opposing political views (as you mentioned) and being friendly with someone who actively enables harmful actions, like harassment (which Froyo has repeatedly done). I’m drawing a distinction between these two situations, as your comment seems to only address the first, when the second is also highly relevant here.
He’s not choosing to create beef, he’s responding to Frogan insulting him for no reason. I don’t think she has any interest in making nice with him if she is the one starting more shit by saying “this mf never shuts up” and involving herself for no reason. Not sure why he would want to be aligned with someone saying that to him? The reason why he was able to squash the beef with some of the “right wing” people is because they apologized and they were actually nice and friendly to him, something Frogan clearly is not.
Who cares if she may be friends with AB and Lena. Nothing to do with the topic here.
He’s literally been trying to create beef with Ludwig for no reason. Dan had to straight up tell him to stop and move on. The man can’t help but be a petty bitch. His own words. And I love that petty bitch but not everything has to be content or said publicly.
The point I brought up about Lena and AB being friends with Frogan was to help understand that although Hasan could remove her from being a mod, that would most likely be the end of their friendship. I’m guessing that’s also why AB and Lena didn’t want to go further into it due to not wanting to stir the pot even more. It sucks when you see two people you care about fight, but it’s often even more difficult being pressured to choose a side. Overall, it’s complicated and not for the court of public opinion. But at the very least I agree that she should be held accountable for saying the things she has due to the drama it’s created. Personally I can’t stand her for the record.
Who knows, we can only assume Ethan’s reasoning or lack thereof for responding. I’m of the opinion that Frogan is an attention seeker and he should not give her the satisfaction of any attention myself.
I was just making the point that he didn’t start or create this. She chose to poke Ethan, and Ethan decided to respond.
No he thought he was left. Then every "leftist" ate him alive and told him he wasn't left enough. Its the same thing with progressive politics every time, no one supports eachother.
Gambling era has been super entertaining! No gambling ads, live high quality production, and random celebs.
Really you think Frogan is super aligned with Ethan's views? Didn't you start your whole comment talking about how Ethan doesn't understand leftism and is capitalist? We know what Frogan has said about Ethan right? How is this his fault? Should he just forget those things?
Final note. Ethan is a catty bitch. Hurts when he finally goes after you huh?
My point was him and Frogan probably share a lot more similar views/beliefs than MAGA folks that he feels he needs to waste his time having discussions with or even defends.
Ethan himself has gone back and forth between identifying as a Democratic Socialist or a Liberal. He got butt hurt because people didn’t like his opinions that capitalism is the best option because he couldn’t differentiate the concept of incrementalism and thought any “lefty” wants to eat the rich.
Do you not remember the debate he had with Dan? He essentially said he disagreed with the concept of “profit sharing” even though it’s a common practice that a lot of companies already have in place ie Gainshare as Dan pointed out. You can be down for more rights for the working class that MAJORITY of Americans want but people get so triggered and fear the boogeyman when they hear the word “Socialism”.
The major point was capitalism is flawed and there should be changes made that doesn’t throw the baby out with the bath water and Ethan stood his ground that Capitalism = the best we can do. That understandably upset a lot of his fan base who have been victims of a system that for the most part only exploits the working class.
Socialism is illiberal, and the fact that socialist get by, by labelling themselves as progressives in the Democratic party is cringe. Your notion that socialism is really the left wing of American politics highlights the problem that Hasan and his viewers have. You are on the extreme side of the American political spectrum, have no foothold of representation in any department or federal program, yet feel you are the most representative for what it means to be " left wing." In case you may just be confused, Democratic Socialism ≠ more social welfare programs. To be a socialist in America means you ideally want to see a drastic change to not just the flow of wealth, but the function of an economy, which is "extreme." Not mad that you're a socialist, just cringe that you feel it means Ethan doesnt know what "left wing" means.
Ethan had asked Hasan during leftovers what is considered “left wing” so no he wasn’t too aware what the spectrum was.
No clue where you got that I’m a Socialist. I’m 100% a Democratic Socialist. I’d think a lot of people that identify with Socialism, generally fall more under that umbrella vs what is actually communism. I think the majority of Americans just want an economy that works for them and love things like Social Security, Medicare etc.
That doesn’t mean everyone wants a full redistribution of wealth and resources. So no. I’m not the “extreme”.
This comment is brimming with bad faith and shitty comparisons.
Like dude. I would hope you would be able to see and understand the difference and nuance in XQC encouraging children on a daily basis by hitting slot machines vs someone being in a professionalized charity event once a month on a channel that is not advertised toward children.
I did mention there is a difference, apparently that went over your head. But at the end of the day, gambling is gambling. It’s a high and a dopamine rush whether you’re crypto gambling, hitting slot machines, betting on sports, scratchers, lottery tickets etc, the end result is always the same.
Win = feel good chemicals and can be heavily addictive regardless of the source/method.
You are trying to conflate when I said younger audience = children. I think it’s safe to assume that there are H3 viewers/members that are younger than 18 and plenty of zoomers/18+. Vices and addictions don’t discriminate against age and all it takes is someone you look up to endorsing something as a cool thing to do to get hooked.
Ever heard the notion of a “gateway drug”? As someone that loves Ethan, the crew, H3, Teddy Fresh etc, it’s totally okay to give criticism when you see contradicting behavior. That doesn’t automatically mean my comment is bad faith for calling out the behavior.
I love the condescension regarding a completely bullshit aside you attempted to throw. You essentially attempted to say, " I know there's a massive difference BUT..." and then go on to attempt to throw "hypocritical" into the mix. The fact is you do -not- understand nuance, are purposefully arguing in bad faith regarding an obviously unfathomably large difference between an XQC gamba slot machine stream ran -every day- on a platform for children vs. a singular charity event for a clearly adult stream to play poker, and finally/subsequently cry about contradictions - it's so ridiculously bad faith and the very sort of behavior this subreddit loves.
I've no doubt you're no different than any number of thousands of bad faith assholes in this subreddit just seeking to tear folks down.
It's ridiculously funny to attempt to ride your moral high horse when your next response to any criticism to your point is to be a condescending prick, and in the SAME BREATH suggest it's totally ok to give criticism - thereby contradicting your very own supposed sentiment.
Of course none of this is surprising to me. I'm getting the same smells and fragrances from you as the person last week bashing Hila for her treatment of AB, who was in another comment mocking her accent and being racist.
My point still stands that regardless of the method of gambling, your brain is releasing the same dopamine chemicals. That is a fact and I’m not in control of how that makes you react.
I stated originally that there is a distinction which you didn’t want to acknowledge and instead felt the need to call it bad faith. You decided to take that as condescension instead of realizing the main point I was making.
I really don’t care that you have criticisms regarding my opinion, that’s what public forums are for. You however are choosing to respond emotionally and draw a comparison that I’m essentially no better than someone acting racist. How is that not condescending?
Apparently you don’t understand nuanced but go off king.
Don't get caught in a red herring. They were racist toward Hila in another comment after just bashing Hila's demeanor. The overall point was that they were acting in bad faith purposefully; as you are seemingly doing here. As many folks do in this sub.
These are not black and white terms, and gambling is a perfectly legal activity for adults to engage in. Ethan's channel is on YouTube - not YouTube Kids - and is clearly meant for a more mature audience. It seems your problem, then, is with gambling itself.
Not understanding the differences between poker and a slot machine is also equally funny to me; but let's not get into that. No, they're not the same. You're wrong. But that's ok. It's ok to be wrong.
You clearly don't understand that Ethan's problem WAS NOT with gambling, but with showcasing gambling to children as a fun, legitimate, money-making activity that they should engage in.
See? This is called nuance. A subtle difference. Except honestly it's not even that subtle. It's pretty glaringly obvious the differences between streaming slots on a site meant for children vs. engaging in a professionalized charity event.
As for me? I'll absolutely be condescending to you. I'm not on a moral high horse. I've no problem knowingly being a prick to assholes like you who seemingly can't see or understand how they're an asshole.
Still missing the point. Regardless of the method, which I already stated there is a distinction and acknowledged in my original comment, is still addictive. Whether you’re marketing to kids, teens, adults, you’re still vulnerable.
Why do you think the majority of the audience voted no to doing ads for alcohol companies? It’s perfectly legal right?
Your justification for being an asshole is incredibly toxic and I feel sorry for the people around you just because you interpreted my response as being “condescending”.
So you should just state that your problem is with gambling. See? We’ve teased out the issue. Understanding that now allows people to caveat your response and understand that it is colored, and has no method of distinction. Because, to you, gambling bad. This is called a bias, and it speaks to why you fundamentally misunderstand the differences between the two, and why you see it as contradictory. To you it’s all black. So again. No nuance. No shades.
You’re also just essentially Bible thumping at this point. You’re in a moralistic high horse not shared by most in society.
And of course when criticized your response was to
Condescend whilst in the same response imply it’s ok for you to be critical. This is, ironically, hypocritical - the very thing you are supposedly castigating Ethan for.
You're delusional if u think it's even comparable to promoting and streaming unregulated offshore crypto gambling sites for hours a day. They play a meaningless celeb poker game every few months for entertainment in which they probably don't even have to pay a buy in. Feel free to criticize if u think poker is still bad but don't try to lump them into the roobet/stake streamers
The comparison is regardless of the method, it’s highly addictive and exposing people to a deadly vice is one I disagree with. Ethan can do whatever he likes in his free time, but I think should be mindful of individuals that may have an addictive personality and the slippery slope it can be.
Just like there was an overall disagreement on having ads for Alcohol companies for what I believe are similar reasons regardless of legality.
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In my opinion this really popped off when Dan debated Ethan at the end of an episode on Socialism. Ethan has always had a hard time understanding what is considered “left wing” and where he falls in the spectrum. He had his brain broken when his own chat/community was telling him he had bad takes on capitalism being the best economic system. Rather than having a nuanced opinion, his takeaway was, lefty equals socialist which equals communist which really means you’re a fringe tankie. The way he trash talks anything with a semblance of being “lefty” and reverts to “I’m a liberal” is what frustrates a lot of his own community. We see a person in real time building bridges with actual allies, only to turn around and burn them and would rather “squash the beef” with dumb ass alpha bros who he will never change their mind on the basis of we have to have to be able to have discussions. Let’s not forget, leftovers began after Hasan and Ethan debated XQC and Train about gambling streams. Sure they were doing shady crypto gambling, but the point was about the influence and exposing their younger, more vulnerable fan base to a vice that is the most deadly. Now H3 is in a gambling era that honestly is so boring. So I think it’s slightly hypocritical for Ethan to feel as if he is taking a moral stance and wasting his time instead creating beef with people that are far more aligned with his views then who he is choosing to squash the beef with.
I also don’t think people remember that AB and Lena are friends with Frogan.
Final note. Dan is the queen.