To be honest I feel like Ethan was the reason why leftovers ended. He has different opinions about Israel and Hamas and that's the reason why it ended.
Yeah you're motte and baileying your actual opinions.
You don't think that leftovers broke down because of different opinions you think it broke down cause Ethan spread anti Palestinian messaging but for whatever reason you feel uncomfy opening with that viewpoint without being pressed.
Naaaw someone uncomfy with having to back up beliefs, how cute.
To hold your hand through it though
The issue isn't "more detail" it's that the initial view point is contradicting the details they provide. I know such a hard concept to grasp but I'm sure you'll piece it together someday champ.
The issue is trying to hide that opinion from the wider community, playing down what your actual views are which you just admitted to doing in that response so yeah, top job.
I can put myself in Ethan’s shoes here though. His MIL lived in Israel. Having Hasan be so dismissive of 10/7 would be infuriating for me too if it was my community this happened to. One of his mods celebrating the butchering of my people would be a bridge too far.
I think Ethan understands well enough the context in which 10/7 happened. It doesn’t make it any less horrifying to watch. (Yes, it’s happening in Gaza too and I’m aware of that.)
To be honest here I do feel like Ethan was spreading misinformation about what happened on 10/7. Also I don't think I saw where the mod was celebrating butchering of people, could you direct me in that way? (Genuine question because I'm curious to hear all sides, of course)
At the time, 10/7 was very fresh, Gaza hadn't been bombed entirely to rubble yet- and "spreading misinformation" then was literally talking about the event at all.
Most of what I heard on that 'cast was Ethan trying to work through his worry for extended family over there- and Hasan being weirdly cold and distant about it. Even his body language was fucking weird.
It really soured me on Hasan in general.
These days, I don't feel so strongly about 10/7; because the death has been multiplied >30x to Gaza since then.
I still think it was a fucked up 'cast, and their "breakup" was to be expected from how that went.
Frogan was the mod in question that supported 10/7. She was also the mod that called Ludwig a cracker for not doing a charity stream for Palestine even though he was personally donating $10K (meanwhile, her charity streams were for her own rent). She's the mod in question this time too. She's a shit-stirrer.
Honestly who cares if someone says cracker? It's not a slur. Anyway, Ethan definitely spread some misinformation about 10/7 regarding beheading of babies and Israelis being kidnapped. Yes some of it was true but I'm saying that he did spread some misinformation. That's why Hasan was upset with him. Also bc he said from the river to the sea is an antisemitic mantra which it is not, it is a call for freedom from genocide. Frogan does not support terrorism and neither does Hasan. They support fighting for freedom, which is what the pro Palestine movement is about.
I mean... You see how "spreading misinformation" can rightly upset people, especially someone like Frogan who has a loved one who died in Gaza due to the genocide.
I disagree, Ethan couldn't put their differences aside and answer the real issues that Hasan was presenting. He refused to look past his own beliefs of Israel and Hamas.
Ethan seems to be controlled by his emotions; what he feels is the truth to him. It's hard to have reasonable discourse with someone like that on topics you don't agree about.
I think it was more than it wasn’t something Ethan could get past, it was continually brought up multiple times towards the end of Leftovers despite trying to move onto other topics before their discussion on Hasan’s stream that led to Leftovers actually ending. And it’s not that I blame him, there are some things that some people just can’t skirt to the side and move on despite, and that just happened to be this issue to him.
Sure! So to my recollection, on the last 2 or so episodes of leftovers this (what’s happening in Palestine&Gaza) was a topic of discussion that got heated as we all remember (Ethan’s a very sensitive guy and I get it because when I speak about things I’m passionate about I can get heated too) and it got to a point where there was clearly an impasse. Then I believe the last episode was supposed to be about something completely different, yet Ethan once again brought up the discussion and it continued unsuccessfully until I think Dan kind of tried to steer away and back to another topic, but I believe it was circled back to a couple more times before the live ended. Then Ethan called into Hasan’s stream to discuss it further, leading to the larger impasse that ended Leftovers. Again it’s been a bit of a while since I watched leftovers (it hurts my heart, especially the tension in the last few eps) so I could be misremembering!
I mean, if you want to make assumptions, sure.
No one said we can't have a show if we disagree. I'm just stating my opinion that I think leftovers ended and will never come back because of Ethan's opinions on Israel. Hasan spent an entire live stream trying to reason with him that the things he was saying was antisemitic were not antisemitic. He said Hamas is a terrorist organization and spread misinformation about what happened on October 7. He said from the river to the sea is an antiemetic mantra. He said he agrees with a two party system. I highly encourage you to educate yourself on what is happening to fully understand why what Ethan has said about Israel is blatantly false.
Hasan's employees were attacking Ethan online and his community was making horrific racist comments about Ethan and Heila, with a decent number being death threats. Hasan refused to do anything or even ask people to stop being outright vicious with their criticisms and labelled it as Ethan's consequences for his actions. That isnt what I would call not being able to put their differences aside. It didnt help that then after Hasan would speak about how open and nice his community was, again right after being horrific to Ethan. If anything it seemed like Hasan was supporting and justifying their behaviour.
What Ethan was saying was directly contributing to how people in hasans chat was viewing him. Hasan can't control his entire chat and that's unreasonable to think so. It's just like fans in the h3 community that might go with misinformation about someone when talking about drama. It's so easy to hate on someone when you disagree with their stances. Ethan has said many things about Israel and Palestine that has directly contributed to how hasans chat views him. That's what Hasan said and it's just the truth. If you convey your opinions in a manner that seems to agree with hateful rhetoric, you will get backlash. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about this concept. Ethan has also spread lies about Frogan and Israel/Palestine too so I'm not sure why y'all are surprised this girl does not like Ethan and will continue to publicly act that way.
Right but Ethan condemns his fans for those actions, Hasan hasnt and wont. Also Hasan fans werent just spreading misinfo, they were sending death threats and posting horrific racist images/animations. Claiming that response was justified is fucked up. Yes backlash is fine, death threats and blatant racism is not. Hasan could have told his community backlash is ok but to chill with the obscene stuff. He didnt see a problem with it, didnt comment on it and it continues to thrive.
Love Ethan but he subjected himself to them by going on. It is not Hasan's job to police everything that happens. A streamer should be able to disagree with their chat without censoring them. Ethan should care a lot less about the opinions of SOME members of Hasan's chat, than the opinion of his actual friend, Hasan. They should have paused Leftovers until the US election stuff started, idgaf about either of their opinions on world politics anyways...
It's probably a bit of both. As someone who agrees with Ethan on about 99.99% of things, there were some moments during those last few episodes of Leftovers where I didnt think Ethan was being completely fair. But I also understood where he's coming from and understood why it would be hard to be completely fair. Which the other side of that argument wouldn't understand and a big amount of Hasans fans being who they are definitely arnt going to be fair and the results is what you got.
Hassan has an average of 30k live stream watchers, his videos reach millions of views on YouTube.
I'm not sure how he's supposed to "control" his audience in this case, hassan did defend Ethan in many, many stream, he avoided talking about Ethan when he mocked QT for crying over ppl making AI nudes of her online.
Idk but have you looked at this community before? Ppl go out of their way to shit talk and try to destroy ppls careers when Ethan shit talks them. Why doesn't Ethan "control his audience"?
If you want to criticize hassan for his friends opinions, well, let's see, what about Bobby "I fucked a child prostitute in tijuana" lee, or what about steiny and his scammer gang, and Bryce Tranphobe Hall?
Honestly, the list of questionable friends that Ethan has made in the past is immense. At least hassan told his community to stop that shit multiple times and has stated that he disagrees with his friends stance on Ethan. On the other hand, this is the road Ethan decides to take.
Take it from me, I watched this podcast since its inception. Ethan only defends ppl who glaze him, if you're not up to unconditionally stand by him, then he's happy to not only throw you under the bus, but also drive it on you with a cheering audience.
Hmm, there's only one "uncontrolled" community that he calls out... Destiny to be more specific, and his criticism is not that he doesn't control his audience, it's that he directs his audience to harass ppl online.
Imagine thinking having karma is some sort of achievement that gives weight to your wet brain takes. But after seeing your other opinions it makes sense you believe this.
Thank you!!!! Since he stopped being friends with Hasan I've noticed he's grifting with many people who he probably wouldn't have agreed with in the past.
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u/deadlypaperbag1 6d ago
Their fallout is so sad :( I really enjoyed Leftovers