Even if you thought Bin Laden did what he did purely out of anger for what western countries did to the Middle East, why would you die on a hill defending his actions? He was a complete piece of shit.
I'm not really in the loop of this specific drama but as a staunch leftist, I'm just confused. Wasn't the Bin Ladens literally business partners with the Bush family???? đ Even if I some how condoned the attack(I don't) , who did it was just a rich fuck. Plus like the consequences of 911 by the US led to the prior destabling of the middle east by America to just SKYROCKET into a whole new monster and millions more dying. I am so tired of twitch streamer leftists holy shit.
Seriously people are gonna be so pushed away from further exploring leftist thought cause they basically are the poster child while barely even focusing on leftist theory and arguments and immediately turn people off with stuff like this.
Yes the Saudi binladin group is a multi billion dollar construction company. Osama bin Laden was from an extremely wealthy family. He wasn't some kind of man for the people fighting against genuine struggles of people in the Middle East. He just used those struggles to justify his religiously motivated terrorism.
Iâm not sure about everything you said but some people in the online leftist community have just become extremely reactionary. They donât care about facts, context, or nuance. If you donât completely back their opinions without question they will attack you and call you horrible things. It really reminds me of MAGA at times, but obviously at least leftists have valid reasons to feel the way they do. They are very judgmental and act like they are infallible people. They just go about it the completely wrong way and it makes them look stupid, unhinged, and weird. It makes leftists look bad and is a distraction from actually pushing for change and building the community.
It's a good thing no one in the tweets Ethan responded to actually defended Bin Laden's actions then. Which is what confuses me on why this entire rant started up again.
âHistorical analysis.â Yall take your moronic selves way too seriously. You can literally fucking read the letter Bin Laden addressed to the American people. I agree that Americaâs foreign policy was a major reason he planned and executed 9/11 but he stated many other reasons for his actions that go beyond that. Frogan ignoring his own literal words to act like Bin Ladenâs ass committed terrorism for only justifiable reasons is idiotic and is defending him.
Itâs the exact same thing. Apparently reading Bin Ladenâs letter to the American people where he says he despises our values and culture is âhistorical analysis.â These are the worst members of the online leftist community. They are reactionary and fucking stupid.
Why are we acting like Bin Laden didnât literally have a manifesto where he explained why he committed 9/11? Like there isnât a lot of analysis to be done here. He did 9/11 because of western imperialism and support of Israel AND because he hated Americans, our values, and our culture.
It's also misinformation to say that he "didn't like that Americans voted" when he EXPLICITLY thought women and gays were the causes of evil in the west.
In the year of 2024 where gay rights and women's rights are under attack, trying to manipulate the message of someone who wanted them to violently die, to make it soft and do "analysis" while not explicitly stating that he held these beliefs is EXTREMELY dangerous and comes off as someone who cares more about "analysis" when it works for them, and hand waves the realities of the person's beliefs (hating gays and women) when it debunks their whitewashing of a terrorist.
The reality is Frogan is okay with whitewashing Osama's crimes because she doesn't give a fuck about the things and people Osama harmed. Sh doesn't give a fuck about the women his organization abused. The gay people and minorities his organization killed. She doesn't give a fuck and I have a lot of theories why but essentially she is a fake leftist who is using Hasan's community to spread propaganda.
At minimum she is extremely unintentionally insensitive to the minorities and marginalized people in Hasan's community, by intentionally downplaying Osama Bin Laden. At worst she is actively spreading disinformation because she actually doesn't like gay people and minorities and doesn't believe in women's rights.
It's interesting because she has in the past gotten into arguments with Hasan because he is not religious and she doesn't like that and thinks he needs to be a practicing Muslim.
Why even split hairs when it comes to discussing the actions of a rich terrorist that made his reasons for 9/11 very clear? He despised the west for more reasons than our foreign policy in the Middle East and he said that himself in his letter. She is trying to defend him by saying his actions were purely a response to the terror the U.S. committed in the Middle East. Thatâs incorrect by Bin Ladenâs own words. And what is the point of doing so? Bin Laden can have some valid reasons while also being a bigoted murdering freak. It changes nothing.
Some people like to do considered analysis when tragedies occur instead of regurgitating HW Bush, saying thoughts and prayers and "lalalala" with their fingers in their ears.Â
Yeah apparently Bin Laden is totally chill and justified because he was calling out American support of Israel and our actions in the Middle East. He totally didnât explicitly state that he hated Jews, that they were controlling America, and that our values and freedoms were disgusting because people were allowed to stray away from Sharia.
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I just assumed she was since she celebrated 10/7, then attempted to walk it back. But the facts sheâs in the same circles that think itâs okay to kill Israeli civilians(like hakim) I donât give her the benefit of doubt
I mean we also see people being openly pro-IDF and pro-Bibi, both sides are just regarded rn and their hate for each other blinds them from seeing the other sides humanity
Because Frogan genuinely doesn't care about gay people or women's rights or anything that Osama would take away from others. She's okay with it is the secret sauce here. She's not stupid, she doesn't care at all because she thinks the leopards would never eat her face.
That's not even a fair interpretation of his motives. That's the propagandist version. I wish those wierd radical leftists would stop taking Osama Bin Laden at face value.Â
He was not some victim fighting for justice. He was fighting to institute violence and oppression throughout the middle east. The Ottamons tried to stop people like him when they tried banning slavery and give women rights in Arabia.Â
Donât you know? Itâs impossible for tankies to recognize both bin Laden and America are bad so they have to justify non-western terrorists actions đ
Yeah it was all horrible. Idk why that is hard to admit. Bin Laden hated Americans because of our foreign policies and that we have freedoms he despised.
Yeah so many people are acting like âif you mention ANY other reason why bin Laden attacked America youâre seen as defending himâ but theyre wrong.
Thereâs a way you can talk about how americas foreign policy decisions lead to 9/11 (especially with Reagan giving weapons to the afghanis to fight the Russians) without fully absolving Bin Laden himself and the Taliban for their horrible actions.
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u/Fun-Skin-626 6d ago
Even if you thought Bin Laden did what he did purely out of anger for what western countries did to the Middle East, why would you die on a hill defending his actions? He was a complete piece of shit.