My question is why the hell aren’t his mods like… better? 👀
Lol idk how else to word that, but come on! Hasan is one of the biggest streamers. Theres no excuse for this kind of behavior to fly in the chat when he absolutely has the resources to make an army of well-trained mods to shut that shit down.
I understand it’s literally an inhuman task for Hasan himself to single-handedly control his enormous chat/audience… but that’s also precisely my point. Get more mods dude. Stop letting bullying persist so rampantly on your streams.
Hassan did that to me once because he was ranting about how guns should be taken away from everybody or something. I told him to go door to door in black neighborhoods to take their guns away and see what happens. He had a melt down, hovered over the ban button, but didn’t ban me. lol. He is a grifter.
I find this hard to believe considering that he has made it pretty clear that he isn’t against responsible gun ownership. He advocates for robust background checks and assault weapon bans. The dude literally goes shooting with his friends regularly lol
There are hundreds of totally legit criticisms to have of Hassan, you don’t need to make shit up
I mean, you’re right about it being dumb but I don’t think it’s a grift.
Hasan’s literally out there committing social suicide in his off hours with those kinds of takes for pennies on the dollar compared to the what a real grift can bring in (as seen by that indictment that all but named Tim Pool & Dave Rubin or that one time daily wire tried to get Steven crowder to do his grift on their platform for something insane like 50mil)
It’s a dumbass take from him for sure, but genuine imo lmao 😂
Not only that, but he has called out XQC for not moderating his chat better and not shutting down chatters shifting on Hasan. I believe Hasan said "what kind of friend let's this happen in their community/chat" or something along those lines and held xqc responsible for his chat for being mean to him lmao
Then Ethan calls out Hasan for the exact same thing and Hasan is all "I can't control what they say, I have no influence over chatters, it's not my fault that they react to your views this way"
He replies to hit chat fucking constantly and he does it in the horrible streamer way where he doesn't read it, he just responds. So he's sitting there blankly and then he'll be like "no dude that isn't even remotely true, fuckinf insantiy" like who are you talking to
bro has banned loyal subs because he misread their comment or they didnt fully fellatio him and his side during an argument. seriously dont get how anybody can support a grifter thats only interested in their money but then again trump exists so i guess i can see it. just extremely funny to see two sides being polar opposites yet part of the same coin
Called him out for being too America centric, he saw and i got dog piled by him and his chat, the fucker was more or less saying it is up to America if Ukraine should fight back or not, bitch what about asking the Ukrainians instead of going imperialism v 2.0
in the context he says it in the video I took it to mean "I haven't looked at the chat since this conversation started," not him trying to claim he never looks at it
also, hasan was very clear that he didn't think even having this conversation live on twitch was a good idea. ethan insisted he wanted it to be on a public forum, then got mad at hasan when things went sideways
to be clear, I don't think ethan is bigoted. but actions have consequences, and when tens of thousands of ppl (many of whom are Muslim or even directly palestinian) hear a large content creator making identical arguments that racists have made to them their whole lives, some of them are gonna take it that way
for a person that built a career drama mining and going "gremlin mode" it's weird ethan seems to expect complete strangers to view everything he says in the most sanitized, charitable way possible, even when what he says just...kinda sucks
Been awhile since I've seen the clips, but I thought the issue wasn't with the behavior of complete strangers, but with the actions of Hasan (moderators as well) implicitly supporting the statements that the complete strangers were making, and then hiding from accountability by saying things that are obviously untrue, like saying he can't control his chat. I think Hasan would have a much better (or at least more honest) position in this conflict if he just owned up in the moment that he didn't disagree with them and then following up with the argument you just made about how people will naturally react this way and it should be expected.
Been awhile since I've seen the clips, but I thought the issue wasn't with the behavior of complete strangers, but with the actions of Hasan (moderators as well) implicitly supporting the statements that the complete strangers were making, and then hiding from accountability by saying things that are obviously untrue, like saying he can't control his chat. I think Hasan would have a much better (or at least more honest) position in this conflict if he just owned up in the moment that he didn't disagree with them and then following up with the argument you just made about how people will naturally react this way and it should be expected.
that's what he did, though. I don't blame you for not remembering since this was almost a year ago, but I just watched it and can confirm what you think hasan should have done is literally what he did
this whole thing is a parasocial mess. he also didn't say "I can't control my chat," he said "I can't control how people interpret your arguments, especially if they have heard them from racists their whole lives"
also you accidentally responded like 5 times, heads up
The reddit app was being dumb, so that's why, but it looks like those extra messages are gone now?
I just went and rewatched parts of it it that I remembered towards the end, and I don't really agree with your framing vs mine. I'm not gonna re-watch the entire thing, but things like "It's going to be impossible to moderate", "There's no way I can shut off chat", "can't constantly tell my community to shut the [ __ ] up" (he most definitely can, and he would if he disagreed with them), or the fact that it took Ethan saying something for it to be put in emote mode, all point to me that obviously he didn't really think what was happening was bad. It just felt very dishonest to me, and Ethan clearly picked up on that as well. Just imagine if his chat was saying things he completely disagreed with, like far right propaganda, would he just sit there and say there's nothing I can do? Or would he be proactively handling the situation without needing Ethan to speak up about it? It seems obvious to me that its because his chatters align with him, and he's to scared to say that in the conversation and own his position.
Been awhile since I've seen the clips, but I thought the issue wasn't with the behavior of complete strangers, but with the actions of Hasan (moderators as well) implicitly supporting the statements that the complete strangers were making, and then hiding from accountability by saying things that are obviously untrue, like saying he can't control his chat. I think Hasan would have a much better (or at least more honest) position in this conflict if he just owned up in the moment that he didn't disagree with them and then following up with the argument you just made about how people will naturally react this way and it should be expected.
Been awhile since I've seen the clips, but I thought the issue wasn't with the behavior of complete strangers, but with the actions of Hasan (moderators as well) implicitly supporting the statements that the complete strangers were making, and then hiding from accountability by saying things that are obviously untrue, like saying he can't control his chat. I think Hasan would have a much better (or at least more honest) position in this conflict if he just owned up in the moment that he didn't disagree with them and then following up with the argument you just made about how people will naturally react this way and it should be expected.
Been awhile since I've seen the clips, but I thought the issue wasn't with the behavior of complete strangers, but with the actions of Hasan (moderators as well) implicitly supporting the statements that the complete strangers were making, and then hiding from accountability by saying things that are obviously untrue, like saying he can't control his chat. I think Hasan would have a much better (or at least more honest) position in this conflict if he just owned up in the moment that he didn't disagree with them and then following up with the argument you just made about how people will naturally react this way and it should be expected.
Hasan has made it a constant and consistent point in his chat to "be normal" half of what he does is yell at chat for saying weird garbage. Especially during everything happening between himself and Ethan he made it a point to yell at his chat to not act up. Even in that clip if you actually listen, he explains why his chat might be calling Ethan racist.
He replies to chatters constantly when he's streaming alone. If he's in a serious debate/conversation with someone he doesn't look at chat because it's distracting and not important to the conversation.
People will probably hate this, but Leftovers was about as serious as opeds on Fox or CNN... Meaning not at all. It was two fairly uneducated people shooting the shit about complex topics from the highest possible level. There was very little said in those conversations that was actually useful beyond the entertainment value.
I had it on in the background for the last couple hours and like Ethan said, they kept going on in circles with certain talk points, and Ethan was getting more and more frustrated.
And it just signifies that there's no real unified answer to this to where all sides are good and everybody's happy.
I do think Ethan and Hila offer a unique perspective having lived in Israel, Hila in particular. And I can't even imagine how awful it's been for them being accused and harassed both in person and online for things which they have nothing to do with. And it certainly doesn't help that Hasan does seem reluctant to address his mod's behavior that helps fuel it. Calling Hila a terrorist and a baby killer has become a mainstay because people let this shit fly and that's completely unwarranted.
I'm watching clips of Ethan calling out certain people after he's explained his points and positions and the one is still doing the same shit a year later. Again, I'm beginning to understand it.
I lost over 100 subscribers for making a yt video in defense of Ethan. Not bc of the subject of the video but bc they’ve been labeled as zionists when they’ve literally spelled it out multiple times that they condemn the genocide in Palestine. It’s just sad because in certain circles, their responses will never be good enough no matter how many times they address that they’re not zionists
The funny thing about the accusations against Hila is if you ask them for proof that she killed literally anyone, not just an innocent Palestinian civilian, they become Reverse Sneakos. Suddenly you don't have to have been there to know what happened. Thousands of photos of Auschwitz, 0 photos of Hila Klein killing anyone, yet this is the one they choose to believe
I think they just like saying it just to hit them where they know it hurts.
They know all the facts that Ethan has said ad nauseum. They know it's conscription and she didn't kill anyone, they just propel this bullshit narrative because they know it's so hurtful and they know their goon audience will parrot it causing further pain. It's ridiculous.
She was. The big gotcha with that though is she asked to go on a raid once to see what the guys were doing when they left every day. To the opposition, that is her cosigning the activities of the IDF. To the rational, it's a simple case of curiosity. The whole discussion is brain rot incarnate
I think it's natural to be curious about what's going on a truck full of armed dudes rolls out every night. The problem would be if she asked to join the team afterwards, which does not seem to be the case
Also she was born in isreal wasn't she? It's not like she can help what society she was born into. If she doenst hold those views now. Idk her stance. If her stance is naf that's one thing, but it's another to be on her for her being born in isreal initially.
Objectively, she was a conscripted member of her birth country's military. And she does get to hand wave the accusations because what even are they? No one can prove anything they're accusing her of because they weren't even fucking there. I'll say the same thing to you I've said to all the other schizophrenics. Show me a picture or video or documentation of Hila Klein shooting a Palestinian. If you cannot do that, then shut the fuck up
Mandated service as well. It’s common knowledge and easy to fact-check. It’s not like she chose to do it voluntarily (and yes I know you can get out of it but that’s extremely hard) so ppl need to STFU
I've always wondered if Moses served (since it's mandatory) & why hasn't anyone said anything about it. I'm not trying to shift the hate towards him, but I always found it strange that hila got all the hate but not Moses.
America bombs countries and does all kinds of horrible shit, do you tell every American military vet that they are members of a terrorist organization and call them baby killers? A military member alone is not responsible for the horror of the org as a whole. Most have not killed any one. I think it’s better to reserve that judgement for the actual war criminals, it diminishes how awful they truly are.
i've been watching a lil hasan because of the election season and he's good at keep me up to date on certain things, and what's funny is that hasan himself acts like he resents his own audience. it feels like 90+% of his chat interactions are him arguing with them. he's really cultivated a TOXIC fan base for the most part, or at least, he only acknowledges the toxic people there. hasan eats the bait all the time, he is Mr Stunlock.
This is verrrry true. I didn’t say anything like a year ago because I would have been ate alive. But, I think it’s sooo messed up how like Ethan would always stick up for and defend Hasan. And Hasan wouldn’t really. Especially when it came to this situation. He’s friends with all those mods and even features them. And these mods were allowing the cesspool of comments flood his discord. Calling Ethan a pig, the K word, baby killers ect… people say we are unhinged over here. I mean sure we are impassioned I like to call us. But, I don’t see people when we get worked up going to slurs and like seriously deeply hateful vitriol.
Refusing to denounce a genocidal army because they want Palestinian land for their people and fake nation is pretty fucked. History will show that Ethan was in the wrong. Only then will you idiots understand the horrors Israelis inflict on human beings.
I don't think what Israel is doing is right or justifiable in any way, I can also make a distinction between two individual Israelis and the Israeli government/IDF. Judging from this thread, I'm guessing Ethan and Hila do support Israel's actions, which is unfortunate cuz I just don't agree at all, but I'm smart enough to recognize Hila has not killed any babies, or committed any acts of terror herself
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Hasan does moderate his chat behavior, he isn't going to tell them they are wrong though when Ethan was calling Jewish Voices for Peace the same as Kappos.
You can easily moderate the unhinged behavior and uncalled for attacks while allowing for genuine criticism. But I agree he does moderate, which is why I think he probably just agrees with what his chat and mods was calling Ethan.
His chat were super wrong in calling him a Zionist, a racist, a pig, calling Hila a baby murderer. If you cannot see the difference in having genuine measured criticism and unhinged attacks and name calling I don't know what to say to you. Regardless this point is moot as the point of my comment is to point out Hasans hypocrisy in wanting other people to moderate their chats on his behalf because they're friends while refusing to extend the same courtesy to Ethan. If Hasan agrees with the comments and refuses to moderate on that basis that's fine and completely within his perogative.
Yup!!!! People need to understand that Ethan is a human too and is allowed to express his beliefs and opinions. Of course sometimes they’re misinformed and not true, but that’s what being a human is about.
By that token, literally everyone is human, and therefore literally everyone is allowed to express their beliefs and opinions about Ethan's beliefs and opinions.
Yeah I thought leftovers was good until Hasan stated his views on Ukraine and Taiwan
At that point I was thinking man hopefully they don't get into a convo about Israel and then Oct 7th happened.
Ethan has a 2 state view repping both Israel and Palestine while Hasan has a one Palestinian state view.
I knew it wouldn't last but didn't realize how nasty Hascord would get with Hila who is pro-palestine AFTER being in the IDF.
And I wanted Leftovers to end so hascord can stop brigading this subreddit and when they see my post history and see I commented on Destiny's subreddit they just block me lol.
I comment in all lefty subreddits btw secular_talk, leftist, socialdemocracy, themajorityreport, thedavidpakmanshow, destiny, etc.
I would comment in Hasan_piker too but they permabanned me cause I disagreed with dear leader on his shitty Ukraine take and criticized how he hasn't re-assessed his foreign policy approach after being wrong about the invasion.
Not only that I truly believe he's so pro-USSR that he'd be more for Russia re-forming USSR than allowing countries like Ukraine and Georgia to freely deciding their own outcome.
As an Irish person I stopped liking Hasan when he voiced his support for the provo IRA. Literally a terrorist organisation that left bombs in random places killing whoever happened to be near including little kids.
I have a question that may be stupid, but people like Hasan who are against the two states solution… what do they want to happen to Israel and its people?
They have this delusional take like Emma Vigeland who wants one state that houses both Arab Jews and Palestinians and those who stay, stay and those who leave, leave
When I heard Emma Vigeland vouch for a one state solution I was thinking they couldn't actually be serious.
And I feel the same for hard right conservative who wants a 1 state Israel solution cause the entire Muslim world supports Muslims in the region.
After 80 years of existence like Israel is here to stay and the borders of a two state solution should be define and recognized and should Israel continue invading they should be declared a terrorist state like Russia is currently.
I will state that currently that region is a Pseudos one Israeli state right now. Like the west bank is heavily monitored by Israel and Israel controls Gazas resources
You had me right up until you said they were the ones who invaded. Bro they got invaded for the first time in 75 years
That's what started it. Like that's just not worth pointing out. And Egypt also controlling those resources? Shh the circlejerk won't allow that mentioned!
Judging by the subs that you mentioned, I think a lot of people in Hasan’s audience would not consider you a leftist at all, which is probably why they don’t bother to engage with you instead of blocking or banning you
This is me and all the idiot school teachers that get drunk every night and tell me about their causes
I don't care if I have no friends left I don't need Che Guevara shirt wearing douchebags who get their "news" from Joe Rogan and Hasan or other entertainment outlets that aren't actually news or educational
God I hate hasan. I was so happy to see him go. hes sooo arrogant, he thinks he knows everything and has no learning to do and then will talk about complex global issues in the most stupid black and white terms. Every time I tuned into Leftovers he would be talking to ethan so condescendingly like ethan's not capable of forming his own logical opinions. people like that who think you're wrong and morally off if you have a different opinion than them is a big part of what keeps the US so divided. I think Hasan plays into the problem a lot on the left.
While adding frankly 0 character or jokes. He made is incredibly boring so he imho the last thing he should be doing is talking down to the co-host that makes it funnier. Theres a reason The Daily Show has comedians and has always been successful.. lighten up (and i obviously don’t mean in particular something as personal to him as Palestine) but the show always went that way
literally takes himself so seriously, that always drove me crazy. every joke went over his head. i never understood how people enjoyed it? must just be hasan fans i guess lol
I liked it at first tbh but too much info at once and frankly biased to a certain extent or (again) just arguing to the death “his point”.. he is socialist and is gaining off of capitalism
right like his entire existence and ability to make a living off of what he does has so much nuance and arguably some mental gymnastics to accept hahaha but decades long feuds between governments are super black and white... okay
Especially when it comes to wars- allies and non-allies 🙄 like if it’s so f simple YOU try solving the whole world Hassan. I see barely any resolution (although to be fair - he does offer solutions to US problems) but to act so high & mighty while you make streams; it’s just as annoying as Fox TV frankly
thank you!!! unfortunately i know some hassan fans irl that have been radicalized by him/twitter/tiktok and it's been identical to watching boomer relatives be radicalized by fox etc.
Ya I’ll probably get even more downvoted for this since Hasan riders are in the chat but we NEED certain allies or WE WILL BE DEAD. Pretty simple. Ppl need to really study US history to see it’s not as simple as “we’ll stop providing guns to this country”. It’s ultimately like gangs. The war doesn’t stop you literally have to mitigate the damage as best u can without pissing countries off. Dumbasses will be everywhere tho. F it
This is such a dishonest framing? Socialism means the workers democratically own and control the means of production? Not when rich ppl don’t exist not when buys house not when Venezuela or no iPhone.
I mean if you say Palestinians shouldnt be murdered, youre a “Hamas supporter”. It goes both ways, but only one side actually has any say or choice if this conflict continues, the side that commits war crimes every day.
I’ve prided myself on not being exposed to YT personalities like Hasan so that video was one of the first longer segments I’ve seen of his.
Does he just not understand what case examples are? Like Ethan or whomever they were referring to in that clip clearly used things like Southerner perception of the confederate flag as an example of people viewing the same thing through very different lenses. He clearly wasn’t saying that Southerners are right to make the confederacy some whitewashed heritage—just that they do since symbols often change in meaning over time.
He does understand and both Ethan and Hasan know he understands, that's why Ethan considered it such a betrayal to be misinterpreted and thrown under the bus while the chat all called him racist.
Man, I'm so glad to see people calling out Hasan for this behavior now. When this happened so much of Hasan's fans were in this sub, that I felt gaslighted.
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Yeah I’ll be honest this pushes me farther away from his content. Ethan’s right; he literally never concedes and is always in the “right” and frankly just liked to argue or talk in circles.. I DO agree with many of his points and think it’s interesting but agree to disagree at a certain point
I think I just understood why this whole argument exchange is fucked. Neurotypical people can’t take or say exactly what they mean. So they end up talking past each other, responding to what they think they mean. Which ends up in pointless arguments that are caught up in rhetoric and not the underlying issue.
I have understood the rational argument to be anti-Netanyahu & anti-hamas. But it’s conflated to being either anti-Israel or anti-Palestine existing.
When in reality, extremists & racists for some reason can’t just say exactly what they mean, they have to hide behind rhetoric that creates this confusion. Where a non-extremist cannot say they support both countries existing because of the false dichotomy in place by extremist leaderships.
Did she or did she not electively volunteer to do an on the ground mission in Ramallah where she broke into someone's home and kidnap a man in front of his kids?
Did Ethan or did he not call Ramallah a terrorist city?
Hasan in this discussion was purposefully ignoring his chat and hoping Ethan would do the same because he wanted to have a genuine conversation and the tensions were high. The crazy shit his chat says is not an indicator of his behavior towards Ethan, he literally told him not to listen to or read chat.
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I do love Hasan and Ethan, but when Ethan is trying to address this, Hasan is trying too hard to give him the reasoning that right wing grifters use the same logic to propagandize "from the river to the sea" against Palestinians as a whole. When in reality, Ethan is saying there are actual members of his community that hide behind this phrase to both make anti-Semitic comments and justify/promote terrorism towards Israeli citizens in retaliation.
If this convo would have been private, it would have been different. But if Hasan understands what Ethan was trying to say on a live stream, he should have made an effort to articulate that to his own audience in a way that would result in less people taking him out of context or arguing in bad faith; as opposed to him enabling the behavior of his audience with "people are going to react a certain way with how you phrased it". Ethan could have phrased it perfectly and they still would have found issue with it somehow.
hey man I’m going to let you into a little secret, despite popular belief Hasan and his audience don’t actually have a hivemind and therefore Hasan can’t be responsible for everything his audience says. In the clip you provided Hasan even says he’s not looking at chat, showing he understands when his interactions are only going to consist of the most fringe beliefs and views from his fan base, Ethan hasn’t learned that skill, obviously if you’re “beefing” with Bin Laden the ONLY people you’re going to interact with are either crazy or arguing in bad faith because they already don’t like Ethan. Bottom line it’s unproductive and ALWAYS leads to the mass majority of h3 fans (not the loudest ones) siding with Ethan at the end of it all till the point we’re right back at square one like nothing happened at all, it’s lazy content.
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idk, Ethan brands himself as mr. I can handle the hate, people obviously are always going to say insane things online and Hasan isn’t responsible for that. Ethan has friends and family that say/do problematic things and that doesn’t stop people from having public relationships with him. If the roles were reversed and an H3 mod was defending Israels active genocide and saying nasty things about Hasan I can’t imagine Ethan would do anything about it. He hand waves his donations as a means to have a pretty insane take on the matter.
hasan is arogant and kinda of an ass for pushing ethan away like this for not standing up for him. Ethan's also condemning people calling himself a zionist, but recently called himself one (trying to look for a clip, it was before the live show), which i can't back him on. maybe he was being sarcastic, but i remember hearing him say it pretty deadpan and no one in the studio reacted and it wasnt touched on again, as if he just said it as a known fact.
There is no world where Ethan is a zionist lmao. To paraphrase a quote from him: “Stop calling me a zionist. Just call me a jew because I know that’s what you really mean”
If you don’t know his stance on Israel and true zionists, you haven’t been paying attention
all im saying is that i remember ethan calling HIMSELF a zionist on a episode sometime before the last live show, i dont remember what episode and i can't find the clip.
i doubt ethan's actually a zionist, which is why he calling himself one caught me off guard. im not going to defend that he actually said because trying to prove it it too much of a task (unless someone has a link to that site that transcripts every episode), im just saying i remember hearing him calling himself a zionist. it played a part in why i took a break from the show in between the live show and a week ago.
If (big if) he did, it would probably be something like: people have different definitions for zionism and if its Believe Israel has a right to exist than yes by that I am a zionist, but if you use another definition then no I am not.
That is the only way I could fathom what you're describing
update; in the friday episode right around 2 hours in, he was listing people who he resents, including people calling him a zionist.
so maybe i misheard, maybe he misspoke (that one time i thought i heard him say it), but it's evident to me now that then doesn't call himself a zionist.
She did join the official army of child murderers. I know she is a scintillating presence on the mic but if you act as a footsoldier of genocide and concentration camp guard, well, sometimes ppl get mad at you. 🙃
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I'd be pretty frustrated myself when a huge chunk of what I'd consider fans from overlapping with hasan start calling my wife a baby killer.
Especially when Hasan himself starts justifying their insanity when I asked for his help
EDIT: and then those "fans" start trying to gaslight me in the very thread among others by trying to say im somehow the one acting unhinged