If it’s not just a different angle then it can be corrected with surgery or in mild cases with some specific topical care. It’s cutis verticis gyrata (CVT)
It's easily the lighting. The first picture is a selfie taken wherever whenever. The second pic is at an event at the press wall where everyone who wants publicity stands to be in a photo that will be published. The 2nd location would have well engineered lighting set up.
Testosterone has nothing to do with this. It's just an easy bogeyman Reddit loves to throw around out of context when they see a man or woman with above average, and even average muscularity.
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However, a study of plasma levels of thyroid hormone, cortisol, sex hormone, and prolactin levels in 15 patients with cutis verticis gyrata did not show any abnormal hormone levels.
Fat head is side effect of juicing with HGH. The skull gets thicker and some facial features become more pronounced. (This is rumored to be why Marjory Taylor Green looks the way she does).
I tried looking up whether it's permanent or not with prolonged use but Ive seen conflicting info on that.
But that's the likely culprit for why Dana White and Joe Rogan and Bautista (up until recently) have the exact same fat head.
I honestly thought those wrinkles were scars, possibly from him getting colour over the years and I don’t even know why I believed that was the cause, because I can only recall him bleeding about a handful of times in his career, certainly at least not enough to have those marks be from blading.
Something to consider is Pro Wrestlers will cut their heads with razorblades during matches in order to bleed. He wouldn't be the first bald wrestler with visible scars from it.
My understanding is he can't ever be off the roids. Long term usage means his body just doesn't produce enough of it anymore. He probably went down to a maintenance level though.
Any non-natty bodybuilder or powerlifter is always on TRT as a baseline level. Then for competition/show prep time they start blasting away.
It also helps for airlines and travel to have TRT prescribed because then you can travel with controlled substances and not have issues. You may have a legal script for 200mg/test per week, but you're actually blasting 1g/day. The feds don't care typically care how much you're dosing when you travel or get caught, but they do care if you legally have a prescription for the medicine. So you can buy 50g of test from your source, then when you travel just make sure you have a enough gear but not an amount that exceeds your prescribed max.
Ex: You are legally prescribed a 2 5g vials for 1ml/500mg test cyp. Don't get caught with 2 10g vials even if it's the same thing. Don't get caught with 2 5g vials of 1ml/500 test eth, or a different concentration of test cyp. You just refill the old prescribed vials as needed when your dosage exceeds what is prescribed, or mix compounds in the prescribed vial if you are taking harder stuff you can't get scripts for. Some of these boys have no problem shooting up kilos of random Chinese gutter oil gear, but then when it comes to vaccinations they say it's unsafe to put harmful chemicals in their body that may come from anywhere.
Nobody's pinning 1g of test a day, wtf are you talking about? Gear these days comes from reputable labs that post the independent labwork on their product, the independent labs also publish their results.
You sound like someone that read a misc post from 2002.
They're just pulling numbers out of their ass, I think. I'm running over a gram of gear a week right now, between Test, EQ, and Anavar; but no ones pushing 500mg/ml test; I've done 450mg/ml and the PIP sucked donkey dick. It's easier to just pin a higher volume at a lower concentration; but 2ml at 500mg... hard pass. Even Chase Irons who's running 4g of test a week right now, is keeping the concentration at 400mg/ml and just pinning 10ml a week.
Dude I just pulled numbers out of my ass as an example because it's a round number. I probably should've said per week but I wanted to exaggerate that they don't care because they don't actually know how much you are using when going through customs or whatever you're passing through.
But if you want to argue about how many days in a week there are, I'm here for it too. Sunday thru Sunday = 7 days.
Pretty accurate. There are protocols for getting off steroids slowly and addressing the side effects (such as low testosterone).
He most likely is on a TRT that is planned to get him to normal levels for his age.
FWIW many people experience big changes in their appearance when they quit roids. More than just the bulk. I think that is some of what you are seeing here.
It isn't usually that drastic, while steroids do improve training perfomance and the shape, it's not magical as you need to train, even if you stop you keep a lot of what you gained, but that 10~15% you lose is enough for some people to keep taking the stuff like crazy as they are addicted to the shape.
I meant to say more of the case that the charrot doesn't turn into pupkim so suddenly, if one trains hard they will keep most of it, the issue is that most of it isn't enough for those addicted to the shape (and juice) or on the Mr. Olympia route.
PEDs aren't called magic pills for no reason, they can speed up and improve gains like crazy (and kill you in the process).
Dropping PEDs isn't the main reason Bautista dropped his weight, that was the point i was trying to make. I have no idea what type of cycles he went through during his wrestling career.
You’re thinking of testosterone & TRT (testosterone replacement therapy).
Steroids isn’t the same as TRT.
I’d bet a $1,000,000 he’s been on TRT, is still on TRT, & will be forever, because it (& HRT [for women]) is the closest thing to the fountain of youth.
TRT is why a 60 year old like Brad Pit can still look like this
Still taxing on the brain...and look at what 60 year old Brad Pitt did. No bueno. TRT may be good for muscle growth and other systems, but the organs? Probably not so kind. What's even scarier is that you have young people out of shape, depressed, going to the doctor with low T levels (caused by what? peripheral issues that can be changed? Very likely) and getting on it. So, so many people. Some celebrities even go HGH in some cases, purely for "health" reasons. Doesn't work. Never will. It's like smoking. There are several studies showing smoking induces a significant change and expression of Klotho (anti-aging) and it's very potent, which is actually why some people see that stimulant effect and it keeps weight down and so on, BUT it steals that chemical's longevity and future production. Once your off cigs, the drop off can be significant. No way TRT is a free ride, in that same sense.
Your endocrine system can certainly can recover but is it the right move after being on for so long. It’s also easier to just up your dose when you inevitably get another role that requires a physique.
A guy I know who’s in the bodybuilding scene said it’s that he’ll likely have to be on something (testosterone I think?) but not to the same level and any other shit he was on is gone
Eh, it's mostly testosterone. I hope Bautista never did anything more than some TRT (and under medical guidance), there are some bad heart and kidney problems with other stuff if he used them for too long.
He's off steroids, changed his diet, purposely losing weight to get down to ~210. He's ~6'01" and is close enough to 60 to start planning for it.
His home has an extensive gym. It looked to be around 3,000 sq/ft with every machine possible. I assume he's hitting a ton of cardio, doing higher reps, and has a personal chef keeping him on track.
He’s said exactly that. Basically replaced the heavy lifting with more cardio because he’s going for longevity and heart health now. He used to be cut to shreds at his peak year round and that definitely takes discipline
He’s off blasts. I am sure he does TRT. After years of cycling it is tough for your body to recover from that and go back to normal. So he will likely be on a normal dose of TRT for the rest of his life.
It's this, he wouldn't need to do anything except switch to a normal 2500 calorie diet and the weight would fall off dramatically. The hardest part of maintaining that kind of mass is the eating, you have to force feed yourself insane amounts of food.
Bodybuilders do not need ozempic to lose weight, it's hard work maintaining their weight. As soon as he stopped force feeding himself 10-20000 calories a day it would have fallen off him dramatically.
That’s 100% the reason and I feel like this media push to act like it’s some amazing transformation to be celebrated feels like Hollywood gaslighting. Ex wrestler gets off roids, is now regular sized human, look at him go”
So what though? He's 55- almost every single 55 year old man could benefit from some level of additional test. I'm turning 50 next year and looking at TRT because I'm quickly approaching the tipping point where the effects of aging vs. the potential risks of TRT are becoming more in favor of TRT.
I'm not going to live to be 100 years old (only 16% of men make it to age 90). For me, it's more about thinking about the quality of life I want to have for the next 25 years or so.
It also a reminder of why people use roids, the after version is probably still in good shape, about what you’d look like at 40-50+ if you train regularly but don’t take PEDs. But because he’s not a mountain anymore people think he looks sick and skinny and won’t buy him as an action star now. That’s the natty dilemma: You can’t be lean and big without roids, natty means you pick one or the other (big and fat/bloated like a power lifter, or small and lean/wiry).
At his age he probably had to and I'm sure this is just the cover story. No way a guy that has liked being big for 40 freaking years just decides he wants to be way smaller. Body dysmorphia doesnt really go that way.
Do people as big as him, that abused steroids for so long, ever just get off of roids? they're natural testosterone production is probably fucking super super low so they'll have to take testosterone for the rest of their lives to be normal
At that point you're asking if HRT is roids and I'm not qualified to answer that. I'm sure with how long he's been of juice that it's probably been well controlled by a doctor for at least 20 years and that his dismount will most likely be quite graceful. I also don't know if roids fuck your natural T production but it wouldn't surprise me given what it does to your balls.
Thats not how roids work. Once you start blasting Test, your endocrine system shuts down and stops producing more. He will need TRT for life. Just isnt running a blast anymore.
Thats not at all true, if you blast consistently sure but someone like Dave definitely understood proper cycling and thats why he can return to a healthy weight
Thank goodness there's always the millionaire excuse as if he doesn't have to put in the mental work to make those choices. Peds and recovery drugs aren't expensive they never have been anyone using can recover. It's about willpower, money only makes the transition easier.
The only thing you achieved is admitting you're too lazy to cook your own meals. I cook at least 3 times a week and work bare minimum 40 hours, there are no excuses for proper health.
Hey more power to you but reality isn't like that. Some people don't like cooking, some people don't like exercising. Many people pay for PT or gym classes cause they need the structure to show up.
Different stroke for different folks but don't expect pity because you can't do it. Figure out how to create a system that works and execute it, whining on reddit isn't doing that for you.
This is asinine. I have lost 30 lbs in 90 days before. I have put on 15 lbs of muscle in a year before. Dieting and working out is fucking hard and I don't do either on a regular basis at the moment. Being healthy isn't any easier just because some asshole on the internet calls you a pussy for not doing meal prep. Taking care of yourself is like taking care of a lawn. It's a lot of fucking work! Besides you can maintain baseline health eating only packaged food (in the right quantities) and having a daily minimum steps goal, so if someone has other priorities that outweigh fitness beyond baseline then good for them.
Taking hormones for as many decades as he did coupled with his age he 100% will be on TRT for the rest of his life. He is probably supplementing to a little above near peak "natural" levels, but nonetheless at least one needle a week.
However that is the case for most men at his age if they want to keep performance. Not a direct result of just ped's. Again he cycled properly hence his great recovery and ability to lose the weight in a healthy manner
It's true that if you train on steroids for an extended period and then stop taking steroids you're going to lose some / a lot of muscle mass. That's his point. He might still be taking something like TRT as you've suggested but the original point is still valid.
Not necessarily true. I juiced for a longgg time and quit. Took hcg for 4 months to get my natural production working. Now I’m off everything. Test is a bit on the low end but I don’t need to take TRT for the rest of my life.
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u/charliehustle757 6d ago
He’s also off roids im sure