Just should've dropped him into an AM like supercomputer. AM could fully and completely project his eternal hatred of existence on Hitler and the rest of us can occasionally visit a mainframe to see it happen and just go "man fuck that guy for real".
I thought the ending really left space for a conversation, and it’s really appropriate giving that they predicted the rise of facism and now we see AFD living a first ‘victory’
They probably literally did. The whole concept was based on guerilla filmed improvised sketches where the main actor just pretended to be Hitler, to peoples' befuddlement. Then they were able to get some more funding and stretch the whole thing to a feature length film.
The film wasn't a conglomerate of stretched out improvised sketches, but a deliberate adaptation of a bestselling book that got released 3 years earlier. The director said he wasn't interested in turning it into a movie if not for his interpretation in that way.
The budget of the movie was exactly average for German movies btw (2.9m.€)
We have a 24hr government hotline and website to report antisemitic events in Austria, I'm wondering if it's simply more reported here? I'm not saying we're doing well, but I'm surprised we're worse than France tbh.
For Austria, they used the numbers of the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien, which counts every Reddit-Post, and every time someone wrote something with a sharpie on a poster.
In several other countries, only the police numbers on crime are used.
Honestly, if you accidentally wore red, black, white and green together in one outfit within a 10km radius of a synagogue, the IKW would probably count it as ten incidents. They are crazy Israel stans, even by the standards of Jewish organizations.
A similar thing happens with the USA state of Florida. Every incident, no matter how small and no matter the result, is posted publicly. Things that would be ignored in one state would be easily accessible in Florida.
This has created a public perception that Florida is abnormally full of crazy people with crazy police encounters. But ultimately, it's just because they have a higher quality data set.
I mean it's also a very populous state, and it's the preferred region to move to for people who love humid heat all year around, which means they aren't very mentally sound in the first place. And the north is also part of the Deep South.
It would be nice to see how incidents are counted and what is the report rate. Maybe Austrinans like to report this kind of stuff. I really doubt that the actual problem is many times worse than in other parts of WE.
In Germany, for example, saying "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is forbidden as antisemitichate speech (you can to prison, no shit) and will be counted as an "Antisemitic incident".
In most countries, this is completely legal and nobody bats an eye.
The same phrase is regarded as "encouraging terrorism" in Austria.
I think rules like that make numbers difficult to compare.
Yep. It’s why stats like this are a joke, antisemitic instances are absolutely happening but this data is so skewed it’s literally useless to addressing the problems, and likely just supports the notion that the states with the most restrictive free speech laws somehow don’t do it enough
It’s like when communities hire more police, they bust people for dumb shit that people would never have called the cops on before, and crime rates suddenly “spike”, justifying more law enforcement
i've been arrested twice in my life. both were during a year in college in the mid 2010s when i lived in a molly mormon (i'm from utah, and was raised mormon, but left in my teens & hadn't lived in a city that extreme since i was a kid) neighborhood with extremely bored police. they were all like stereotypical bigoted 19 year old dumbasses too and would constantly be arresting people for things that weren't actual illegal, like walking around after dark, & when you saw the police reports they were like third grade reading level/typos. basically everyone i knew in that area had been harassed and arrested by them multiple times. they got caught straight up fabricating DUIs, like just LYING about breathalyzers showing positive when they had blown a 0.0, and somehow nobody got fired and they're still pulling that shit. they literally explicitly admitted to it and there were countless articles about it, this isn't a conspiracy lol.
mormons don't drink at ALL so if they suspected you did, it meant you were an outsider and sinner and evil and so nobody cared about the fake DUIs. i'm also a white blonde girl who still has an extremely "Mormon" look, i'm straight and present as a girly mormon girl, so I had it a LOT easier than minorities or anyone who seemed lgbtq+ and it was still horrendous.
one group of college kids who lived down the street from us (i was also in a house with a few roommates) told us that when they first moved in, they didn't realize how bad it was here & put a rainbow flag in their front lawn... the cops just busted into their house one night on like a Tuesday in the middle of winter (and the winters are brutal here) when they all had class/work in the morning and claimed they could smell weed. they had no weed or even alcohol. the kids didn't know their rights and were just confused and the cops told them they all had to get off the premises immediately and find somewhere else to stay the night, so yeah they all had to scramble to find somewhere to go super late when there's ice and like a foot of snow covering the roads and their cars that they had to try to brush off while the cops screamed at them to hurry up & leave or go to jail. they came back the next day and they had trashed the house and stolen a bunch of shit. they literally had nothing illegal. they took the flag down but were constantly having cops show up and lie about "noise complaints" and such.
Incredibly sorry that happened, shows how important it is for us as citizens to hold them accountable or they can turn into a legally sanctioned street gang
It is ironic how pro Palestinian remarks are seen as antisemitic given the fact that Arabs from the Levant are almost certainly more semitic than the Jews there, that mostly migrated from Europe.
But yeah, German logic. They done fcked up, got cucked and now they have to overcompensate.
I have a few German friends I like them as individuals, but Germans as a whole are so retarded. It’s almost unbelievable. Austrians are also weird. They’re all very extremist in their views and political ideas. They think their opinion and view is superior, which leaves no room for an opposing or even different opinion.
Exactly. That reminds me of “the safest country for women” ratings. Sweden is usually is one of the least “safe” on such lists because swedes are much more likely to report.
This is the answer. For instance the UK seems to have a very high number. However the UK now has a policy that any reported “hate crime” must be recorded as such. Even if it is found to have not been a hate crime it will stay on the statistics.
Add to this the fact that the media (especially the three Jewish papers, which even shared a front page headline on this issue) and the right wing of the Labour Party pushed accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party. [edit: which likely created an environment where more antisemitic hate crimes were being reported]
There has however been more antisemitism happening in the UK. Part of that will be due to the relatively large Muslim population, but most to do with the “pro-Palestinian” movement (which has reportedly been involved in harassing behaviour for a long time, not just with the recent conflict)
And don't forget the Erectile Dysfunction League. There's a lot of antisemitism amongst the Gammon.
Yes, Muslim areas, especially poorer communities have antisemitism issues, but there's loads of homegrown pink antisemites in the UK, and Yaxley Lennon's mob is filled with them.
Lol I spent maybe 3 days in Vienna and it doesn't surprise me at all. They eschew all responsibility for the Holocaust and didn't receive any of the denazification enforced on West Germany. I always think of Eric Kandel, who was forced to flee from Austria after the Anschluss:
"When Kandel won the Nobel Prize in 2000, initially the media reported of an 'Austrian' Nobel Prize winner, phrasing that Kandel found 'typically Viennese: very opportunistic, very disingenuous, somewhat hypocritical'. He also said it was 'certainly not an Austrian Nobel, it was a Jewish-American Nobel'. After that, he got a call from then Austrian president Thomas Klestil asking him, "How can we make things right?" Kandel said that first, Doktor-Karl-Lueger-Ring should be renamed; Karl Lueger was an anti-Semitic mayor of Vienna, cited by Hitler in Mein Kampf."
Imagine if you went to Berlin and found yourself on Joseph Goebbels Avenue XD
In addition to including anonymous comments from bots as "antisemitic incidents", they're including every anti-Israel/anti-war protest as an antisemitic incident.
It's one of the most unhinged "studies" I've seen in a while.
Going on a protest with a sign saying "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is regarded antisemitic hate speech in Germany, it will be counted as an antisemitic incident and you can go to jail for that.
I Austria, the same is regarded a "encouraging terrorism", also punishable.
The western version may sound nice, but the version used in Palestine is من الماء إلى الماء، فلسطين عربية, "From water to water Palestine will be Arab."
We all know what that actually means, and we're better off acknowledging it instead of using the sanitized version made for westerners so they can lay awake at night and dream of being TE Lawrence 2.0 in a Temu Keffiyeh.
That's not the correct argument here. Both phrases are equally problematic.
The main difference is that "from the river to the sea" has enough historic baggage as a phrase that we can confidently assess it to be antisemitic. That's why it has made its way into some high profile German court cases.
If "Gaza needs to be a parking lot" received equal amounts of traction as a slogan for an entire political movement then yea, it should have the same legal consequences.
As it stands there are no protest movements chanting "Gaza needs to be a parking lot" though, it's the usual chronically online posting where that phrase turns up.
So how and where these phrases are used differs massively, and that's why you see a different legal response despite it being equally hateful phrases to say.
The phrase is historically Israeli. the concept appeared in an election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that “between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty”. The current ideology of the Israeli government in 2024 is rooted in Revisionist Zionism, which sought the entire territory of Mandatory Palestine.
This is incorrect. The phrase first appeared in the 60s. Likud's use of it in 1977 was an obvious and tongue-in-cheek reversal of an already well-known phrase.
Good. Espousing the erasure of Israel should be criminal as it would mean sending Jews 'back to their homeland' which they don't have apart from the 3500-year-and-counting nation of Israel, or live in constant fear of Palestinian reprisals/hate/terrorism. It's calling for ethnic cleansing without saying those words. Or maybe the pro-Pallie gang can get Madagascar to get on board to send them there? /s
I mean how else can a phrase like that be interpreted by Israelis or Jews? The phrase was originally, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be arab"
it wasn't in Europe, but there was that incident at Yale wherein their dining services dropped the word 'Israeli' from a salad with the name of 'Israeli couscous salad with spinach and tomatoes'.
This was reported as anti-semitism.
wondering how many of these are similar kinds of events
Austria was considered as a victim of the Third Reich in the eyes of the Allied Forces however, 2/3rd of SS soldiers were Austrians and they contributed massively to all atrocities that we attribute to Germans only. Plus I’m not sure how successful their denazification efforts were but assumingly not nearly as successful as the Germans’ similar program.
Germany put a lot work into denazification and educating others about these part of their history, Austria not.
As mention most saw them as victims of the 3rd Reich and covered up many smaller concentration camps, or work camps where also many died.
That's also why Austrians government is always (with a few exceptions) leaning to the right side and every few cycles they have right extremists in their coalition (although they never lasted a full governmental period).
I’d like to add: why so high in the UK? I was surprised already when Peaky Blinders featured Jews so prominently. I thought the Anglophone world has traditionally a more positive stance towards Judaism.
Yes, that is true. However, the UK has a large Muslim population and obviously there's a bit of global tension from the situation in Israel and Palestine which spills over into other parts of the world. There are also just some antisemitic locals as well such as the National Front types etc who aren't a fan of anyone that's overly exotic.
But very efficient public services in my experience. In the UK at least, a small fraction of the number of instances will be reported to the police, knowing they won't do anything, in Austria I imagine its much much higher.
Yeah, like France. Maybe the explanation can be found in how these incidents are reported and documented. The Germans and Austrians still feel guilty and take hate crimes seriously, while the French still think they are fucking flawless despite housing a huge and to a high degree antisemitic population from MENA?
We just saw mobs of racist white brits attacking people of colour and chanting racist slogans, why are you so quick to blame muslims instead of actual neo nazis?
Well to be fair I did. But the topic was antisemitism not racist attacks... Unless you think Jews are people of colour? Which I suppose they can be, however, that's the case with every religion.
I'm a Jew living in the UK, and while yes, most Muslims I've known have held antisemitic beliefs, most hate crimes I've faced have been from white atheists. Despite the antisemitic beliefs of many Muslims I've known, Muslims have recognised me as a minority and listened to me about antisemitism, because they know how terrifying it can be to be a minority here too, and appreciate others listening to them about Islamophobia.
The majority of hate crimes I've received have been from leftist white people who don't understand the nuances of Israel-Palestine conflict, and conflate Islamism with Islam. They openly accept and often spread Hamas propaganda lines because Hamas purposefully include buzzwords in their propaganda that trigger white guilt.
Far-right antisemitism in Britain is very factional and increasingly is turned on its head. In this day and age a lot of the British far-right admire Israel.
No, that's probably been clouded by WW2 and fighting the Nazis, but Britain was also very antisemitic as well pre-war. Obviously not at the level that Germany was, but it was a strong opinion at the time amongst the public that Jews were out to get your money and control it, controlled the banks, were money lenders etc.
Certainly for the Peaky Blinders tike period. Today it would be more the Muslim population and their sympathisers
More Muslims live in France than in either Austria or Germany. Yet they have less anti-Semitic incidents. Same with Holland: similar percentage of Muslims as in Germany yet less anti-Semitic incidents.
Mostly Jewish people have only been brought up in the UK in the context of antisemitism in recent history. There's maybe 300,000 Jewish people in the UK so it's not a large demographic and in most cases nobody would know or care if you were Jewish. There was a big argument a few years back over the far left of politics being accused of antisemitism, which it did indeed have issues with, and the accusations themselves being exploited and exaggerated to use as a political weapon against the entire left wing of politics, which they were. Took up the whole media cycle for a while, and honestly didn't really merit the amount of focus it got compared to other issues, sort of like the debate around transgender discrimination growing larger than the importance of the issue itself in the grand scheme of things.
It's likely due to a large amount of Muslim migrants interacting with a sizable Jewish population. The map seems to correlate with that in the other countries listed too
If you compare the jewish population of Austria, especially Vienna, with the jewish population of Budapest before and after WWII you'll notice a trend.
While a lot of jewish refugees were able to return to Budapest the same was not true for Vienna.
Some would assume that Austrian Politicians not only were kind of lax on denazification but also made it hard for jews who wanted to return to reclaim their rightful property.
I'm not an expert on anti-Semitism crimes in Austria so am postulating here, but I would hazard that it's not got to do with higher amounts of anti-Semitism, but higher amounts of reported anti-Semitism.
Countries where anti-Semitism or hate crimes in general are taken more seriously, we are seeing higher amounts of anti-Semitism than countries which ignore it more often.
It would explain why the UK, Germany and Austria are so high comparatively, all of which have very strict hate crime laws compared to Spain or Italy.
This map is highly flawed- Tel Aviv U's report contains the caveat that Austrian numbers come from an NGO with its own criteria, whereas other countries are based on police data. The creator of this map omitted this.
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u/ParsleyAmazing3260 6d ago
Why so high in Austria compared to the rest of Europe?