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Antisemitic incidents in Europe 2023

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u/gramoun-kal 6d ago

Lots of Muslims + equating Israel with Jews. It's going to be the same in other countries.

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u/Paper_Pusher8226 5d ago

More Muslims live in France than in either Austria or Germany. Yet they have less anti-Semitic incidents. Same with Holland: similar percentage of Muslims as in Germany yet less anti-Semitic incidents.

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u/EbolaNinja 5d ago edited 5d ago

Austrian data is inaccurate, that was already discussed. For the others, you should look at the amount of Jews too. The Netherlands may have a similar number of Muslims to Germany, but the proportion of Jews is more than 3 times smaller. France, the UK, and Germany are the 3 Western European countries with the highest percentage of Jews.

The top countries are pretty much the countries with the highest Jewish population and a significant Muslim population. Sweden being a noticeable exception, with a shit ton of anti Semitism with a fairly small Jewish population.

Hungary has a fairly large Jewish population too, but barely any Muslims.

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u/Flyful20 5d ago

W Muslim

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u/JesusSwag 6d ago

To be fair, Israel is almost entirely responsible for equating itself with Jews

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u/Lefaid 5d ago

And thus it is Israel's fault when those who hate Israel deface a synogogoue, not the tolerant free thinking protester who cares about humans who decides not to seperate the two.

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u/Current_Account 5d ago

Ah yes, the Jews ARE the one to blame for their predicament after all! 🙄

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u/koi88 5d ago

No, he said "Israel" is to blame.

It's obvious that the Israeli government has always tried to be equated with Jews, for ideological reasons. Netanyahu likes to call all criticism towards Israeli politics as "antisemitic", i.e. directed against (all) Jewish people.

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u/Gizz103 5d ago

That's just Benjamin is a coward and fool

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u/Current_Account 5d ago

Then you’re just demonstrating your ignorance of Judaism

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u/JesusSwag 5d ago

You're literally doing the thing

If Israel cared about protecting Jews and not its own national interests, why does the police brutalise Jews that protest against the genocide?

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u/Current_Account 5d ago

So the person being antisemitic isn’t responsible for their own actions? Instead it’s the fault of other Jews thousands of miles away? Do you even hear yourself?

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u/JesusSwag 5d ago

Not what I'm saying at all

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u/Current_Account 5d ago

It absolutely is when this is the first thing you say response to antisemitism.

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u/JesusSwag 5d ago

I deleted the comment because I had accidentally replied twice to yours

But no, me saying that Israel equating itself to Jews puts Jews outside of Israel in danger, doesn't absolve the people committing those crimes

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u/Zb990 5d ago

Well the vast majority of Jews support Israel so they are linked

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u/RevolutionaryEye7546 5d ago

Assuming that's right, then what's wrong with equating them?

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u/Zb990 5d ago

Saying Jewish people are linked to Israel and generally view its existence as important is not the same as saying Jewish people are responsible for every bad thing Israel does. It's about nuance

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u/PierreTheTRex 5d ago

Also there's still a significant amount of Jews that denounce Israel as a state, and assuming someone necessarily supports it is just wrong

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u/Wyvernkeeper 5d ago

There are a lot of Jews who have issues with the Israeli government. The amount who 'denounce Israel as a state' is a very small minority that are actively tokenised and amplified by people who dislike Israel.

The vast majority of us fully understand it's necessity even if we don't like every choice the government make. Being a Jew and choosing to believe Israel shouldn't exist is essentially a position held by those privileged enough to not have encountered experiences in their life to remind them why it's necessary.

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u/happysisyphos 5d ago

Blablabla, either way friendly reminder that antizionism isn't antisemitic.

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u/Wyvernkeeper 5d ago

Maybe focus on your wife more instead of arguing with strangers online about words you don't understand?

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u/happysisyphos 5d ago

I don't have a wife buddy, that post was fake 😊 zionist scum

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u/JesusSwag 5d ago

They're not the same thing, but not realising there's a link between the two is naive. Israel knows it happens and uses it to their advantage

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u/RevolutionaryEye7546 5d ago

You said "support." By that, you are talking about policy, not existence.

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u/Zb990 5d ago

I'm not. I'm talking about supporting Israel's existence. I would imagine the majority of Jews worldwide don't support Israel's current government

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u/RevolutionaryEye7546 5d ago

I'm happy they're all being called out.

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u/Zb990 5d ago

Who?

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u/RevolutionaryEye7546 5d ago

Anyone with anything favorable to say about that militarized jonestown apartheid cult.

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u/IAmNotStephen 5d ago

What’s wrong with equating Palestinians and Hamas?

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u/oy-the-vey 5d ago

Nothing, Hamas is democratically elected government of Gaza, but even in east bank Oktober 7 was celebrated and people supporting Hamas actions.

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u/iotchain2 6d ago

It's a hasty interpretation to say that it's the Muslims fault. Do you know the religions of the perpetrators?

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 6d ago

You’ve obviously never had much experiences with Muslims lmao

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u/accc8 5d ago

Yeah, white Europeans have historically LOVED Jews haven't they

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 5d ago

Nice straw man kid, did it lower the rates of anti semitism among Muslims?

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u/accc8 5d ago

does blaming muslims for everything wrong in your country fix everything? acting like all muslims hate jews (the ones I've met don't) doesn't change the fact that the biggest atrocities and the majority of oppression upon Jews wasn't and isn't done by muslims. Honestly there's no point even trying, nothings going to persuade you from hating/blaming these people, which is ironic when you think about the topic

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 5d ago

Another straw man. Muslims aren’t responsible for everything wrong in my country

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u/accc8 4d ago

Lol ignore the rest of the comment then, just respond to the first sentence. Go ahead and keep fearing random Muslims it's just going to make your own life harder

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u/Extension-Toe-7027 5d ago

the wasn’t it’s true the isn’t im afraid is off target. otherwise i would have to share the blame for what happened on oct 7 and none of my people did that

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u/accc8 4d ago

What are you talking about? When did I mention hamas? And if you want to bring up Oct 7, what about May 1948? What about what was happening before Oct 7?

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u/Extension-Toe-7027 5d ago

we do now hey we did what we did under Vatican orders you know religious induced hatred works on steroids

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u/iotchain2 5d ago

holocauste was made by europeans

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u/accc8 5d ago

no way

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u/Ordinary-Hope4902 5d ago

This is a racist comment. Educate yourself

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u/paranoid_throwaway51 5d ago

*Islamophobic.

Muslims can be of any race.

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u/Ordinary-Hope4902 5d ago

Good point. My mistake. This is an Islamaphobic comment.

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 5d ago

Islamophobia is called “blasphemy” in Muslim countries lmao

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u/paranoid_throwaway51 5d ago

well no its not.

i dont mind critiquing islam, but if your gonna do it, atleast make a good argument.

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 5d ago

Yes, it is. And what’s the punishment for blasphemy in Islam?

You got it, death!

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u/paranoid_throwaway51 5d ago

and what does that have to do with the price of fish lmao ?

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 5d ago

It’s an accurate one. Call it whatever else you’d like!

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u/BeautifulDistinct316 5d ago

good job spreading misinformation when Muslims out of anyone would know not to equate the two I would talk to the Evangelical Christians though they sure don’t know the difference.

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u/gramoun-kal 5d ago

My Muslim friends sure know the difference. In fact, they bear no I'll will towards the people in Israel itself (not just the diaspora). But have nothing good to say about the government of Israel and the concept of Zionism.

Yeah... I admit I'm just shortcutting here. I don't actually have the data. And I wouldn't trust it if I had it. The French police are racist AF. They'd totally cover up the Nazi-inspired acts and ring all the alarm bells for when it's a Muslim.