r/television • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 The League • 5d ago
Kate Winslet Says Female Actors Showing Their Bodies and Not Wearing Makeup on Camera Is ‘Not F—ing Brave: ‘I’m Not in the Ukraine. I’m Doing a Job’
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/kate-winslet-actresses-nude-no-makeup-not-brave-1236142149/3.5k
u/cahir11 5d ago
Bill Burr had a great bit about this, something along the lines of "if we're going to use 'brave' to describe both posing for a magazine and carrying people out of a burning building, we need a new word"
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u/jack_hof 5d ago
and dont forget being a mother is the hardest job in the world
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u/Jahnknob 4d ago
Did you rescue a dog, or did you just go to the pound for a free dog you cheap fuck?
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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas 5d ago
Women are the primary victims of war, don't you forget about that too.
It is better to die slowly in a trench as rats eat your legs than to survive having a husband weak enough to die in a war.
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u/SentientReality 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah, that is one of the most offensive and stupid things often repeated that, like so many things, would never be tolerated with genders swapped.
Edit: imagine if Hillary Clinton's stupid quote was flipped around:
Men have always been the primary victims of rape. Men must witness the trauma of their wives, their mothers, their daughters after being raped.
Imagine how society would have reacted to that statement. But, somehow saying women being the primary victims of male deaths didn't outrage people. Wild.
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u/Bella_Anima 4d ago
I mean perhaps not the torturous dying in a trench part but in war women are always victims of rape and torture and murder at the hands of soldiers, both their own and the enemies.
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u/Revna77 5d ago
The real True Detective sequel.
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u/sunilbedre 5d ago
Watch Sharp Objects, it becomes a trilogy.
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u/jbmcpayne 4d ago
That ending with the dollhouse is fucking seered into my brain.
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u/Cutter9792 4d ago
It's the single moment from the show that turned it from "Kinda slow but alright I guess" to "Holy fucking shit, worth every second, goddamn"
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u/jbmcpayne 4d ago
This! This is exactly what I tell my friends when I tell them to watch. It's slow but the ending makes it worth it.
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u/veganize-it 5d ago
Such a great series.
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u/likamuka 4d ago
Patricia Clarkson is so underrated
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u/torino_nera 4d ago
I've never hated a character more than I did during that series
And that's how you know you played a fantastic villain
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u/USSBigBooty 5d ago
What you didn't like the grandma mafia?
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u/In_My_Own_Image 5d ago
Still don't know how anyone could possibly think that was a a smart conclusion. Literally anything would have been better. They could have legitimately said it was Ice Cthulhu and I'd have been more accepting of it.
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u/milesamsterdam 4d ago
This is a take I have not heard. I’m stealing it. It’s mine now.
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u/xavier120 5d ago
DER MURDURED MUR DERDER
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u/Toby_O_Notoby 4d ago
Kate Winslet was on The Watch podcast and says it's her favourite skit of all time. She has it saved on her phone and her and her family constantly quote lines like "Did I sturder?"
(And on a side note, she comes across as a lovely person. She was interviewed by Chris and Andy from The Watch to promote Mare and thought they were funny so she subscribed. When the finale aired she called them up and said, "Can I come back on the pod to talk about it?" and they were both floored.)
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u/OneReportersOpinion 5d ago
She looked great in it too
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u/BugblatterBeastTrall 5d ago edited 5d ago
She really did, and she's so ducking talented, and funny! The thing where she's in power in a crumbling Eastern European country, I think on Hulu, was really weird but I loved it. She's really just fun to watch!
Edit: well it's staying now
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u/Ey3_913 5d ago
Haha you wrote ducking when you meant to type ducking
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u/RaptorsFromSpace 5d ago
Like a decade ago I made my iPhone autocorrect Duck to Fuck, because I obviously use fuck way more in my day to day language and was tired of it autocorrecting. It works, but every once in awhile when I do want to talk about ducks I have to fight the autocorrect again.
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u/OrbitalSpamCannon 5d ago edited 5d ago
Admit it you jabroni, you just find the delaware valley accent sexy.
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u/TalkToTheLord 5d ago
Well, don’t worry, it’s coming back. Winslet can carry anything.
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u/TryingT0Wr1t3 5d ago
The theme of it was "parents will do anything for y their child" and it was pretty cool seeing it. If they make a new season I hope it has a consistent theme that makes all things all around interesting too.
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u/shy247er 5d ago
Alan Wake 2 video game has parts that definitelly have the same vibe as Mare of Easttown.
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u/Possum7358 5d ago
Literally playing Alan wake 2 for the first time right now, I can't unsee it, lmfao
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u/nicknaseef17 5d ago
I like Kate Winslet. She's no bullshit.
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u/Underwater_Karma 5d ago
I never really thought much about Kate Winslet at all, one way or another.
Until I watched "Mare of Easttown". There was never a moment I felt I was watching Kate Winslet, she absolutely disappeared into the role. she's a far better actor than I ever gave her credit for.
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u/gerbileleventh 4d ago
The movie The Holiday, although "just" a romantic comedy, has a great cast all around and she is amazing in it.
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u/kinda_sorta_decent 4d ago
I'll sit through the whole thing with my wife when it's on. Her and Jack Black are cute.
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u/bkrebs 5d ago
She's been great in so many films. Hopefully you've discovered a bunch by now, but if not, check out The Reader.
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u/Underwater_Karma 5d ago
I honestly haven't seen her in any movies since Titanic.
Will check out The Reader
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u/HilariousScreenname 5d ago
Not even Eternal Sunshine? That's a classic, imho
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u/dj_soo 4d ago
That was the movie I completely fell in love with her
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u/Ourkidof91 4d ago
Why do I fall in love with every woman I see who shows me the least bit of attention?
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u/ImTheEmcee 5d ago
I tried to rewatch eternal sunshine recently, but she was so good at playing manic pixie dream girl that I couldn’t finish it. Reminded me too much of someone I knew/had a falling out with.
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u/jingowatt 4d ago
Revolutionary Road, Sense and Sensibility, Eternal Sunshine, Iris, Steve Jobs, it’s a huge list. She’s one of the best.
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u/No-Staff6938 5d ago
that was the show that taught me to recognize good acting. i was like "winslet where, this is mare"
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u/Djinnwrath 5d ago
This is the first and only thing I know about Kate Wisnlet other than she's talented at acting.
So far, I like her too.
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u/Amaruq93 5d ago
When Kate met Leo DiCaprio for the first time she flashed him to break the ice (since the very first scene they filmed together for "Titanic" was the nude scene - Cameron shot it this way because both Leo and Kate didn't know each other very well and he wanted to capture the on-screen uneasiness between the two)
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u/bb_LemonSquid 5d ago
He definitely did capture that. You can tell how nervous they both are. It’s a great scene.
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u/Some_Like_It_Hot 5d ago
Yeah.. true.. you know they are nervous with all the sweat on the bodies in that scene
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u/JustAnotherShittyAss 5d ago
You can definitely tell they were nervous in that scene because of the way that it was.
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u/cute_polarbear 5d ago
She's also very gorgeous looking (to me). As I get older myself, she just seems sexier.
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u/HMS404 5d ago
Hell yeah. She and Rachel Weisz. Both such fine women.
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u/cute_polarbear 5d ago
Since u mentioned it, her, Rachel Weisz, and Gillian anderson...
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u/VineStGuy 5d ago
Yes! Gillian Anderson and Jennifer Connelly have been my lifelong crushes. Along with Kate Winslet and most recent addition, Hannah Waddingham in my fantasy crush list.
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u/tropicalpolevaulting 5d ago
I would argue Gillian Anderson has gotten hotter with age. I mean I wouldn't have thrown her out of bed on X-Files, but in The Fall and Hannibal... DAMN!
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u/QouthTheCorvus 5d ago
It's interesting because she was always pretty of course but there was a certain age where I rewatched Titanic and realised that she's actually incredibly beautiful.
I guess we focus on different things over time.
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u/MyLastAcctWasBetter 5d ago edited 4d ago
I saw Titanic for the first time when I was in kindergarten… I was at some neighborhood house party and my older brothers were watching it, so it seemed like the cool thing to do. My parents were either too busy socializing or just didn’t really care if I saw it. Either way, the movie both amazed and traumatized me. And it made me think that Kate Winslet was the most beautiful and glamorous person alive. Like, I could not conceive of a person who was more beautiful than her.
That said, my parents were less than thrilled when they got a call from the school that I had tried getting other kids to play-out the scene with me during recess… in my defense, I’m pretty sure that I told people we could just pretend to be naked.
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u/Douglasqqq 5d ago
I have a friend who worked with her and he confirmed with me that she is in fact the fucking best.
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u/smolperson 5d ago
SAME I did PR in London and I heard from direct sources that you don’t even feel like you’re around a celebrity when you’re around her. She’s a cool aunt.
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u/Lappmossan 4d ago
She just seems really intelligent and empathetic (and knows how and when to express her thoughts). Her, Emma Thompson and Cate Blanchett are my actresses because they all share those qualities - well, besides also just being good at acting.
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u/gotsthepockets 5d ago edited 4d ago
I love this. It shouldn't take bravery to just be a regular, normal human. I've always liked her. Takes like this make me like her more. She's a great actor who also seems to understand that it's just acting.
Edit: I'm thinking people are missing my point because they didn't read the article? This is not a comment on all the meanings and contexts of bravery. It's a simple appreciation of an actor refusing to bow down to the silliness of Hollywood standards (from Hollywood itself and us as society).
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u/gereffi 5d ago
If it was just acting, sure. The problem is that being even a minor celebrity comes with a lot of baggage. Seeing hundreds of negative comments online and in the media about your appearance or body could take a toll on your mental health. It’s probably not as bad when you look like Kate Winslet.
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u/toylenny 5d ago
Kate's been through the wringer for her looks. She got so much hate for not being cocaine skinny in her youth.
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u/panlakes 5d ago
“I wasn’t even fucking fat” lmao. She has some good quotable stuff. Imagine that a real human being in Hollywood
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u/katfromjersey 5d ago
That hateful bee-yotch Joan Rivers tore Kate apart on her E fashion critique show, during Kate's Titanic Oscar season red carpets. She looked absolutely stunning during every interview and event, and had a slim-ish, regular sized body. Rivers did nothing but comment on her weight.
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u/GreasyPeter 5d ago
Why did everyone like Joan Rivers again?
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u/Pppppppp1 5d ago
Idk if that’s a genuine question, but she is literally famous for being a pioneer for women in comedy, especially regarding abrasive and insulting shit. Definitely a hugely influential person in breaking the mold for women in entertainment, but if you think her making fun of Kate winslet’s weight is bad, you’ll probably really hate her other shit.
Here’s a New Yorker bit on her that goes over it in depth:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/23/joan-rivers-last-girl-larchmont
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 5d ago
I was thinking that she's probably no different from other actresses regarding facing pressure from others behind the scenes in the industry over things related to her appearance in relation to her career, like expectations of undergoing plastic surgery. I'm not surprised that she got criticism over her looks since there were a lot of female celebrities in the 90s getting pushed for having skinnier looks over thicker bodies
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u/waitingtodiesoon Sense8 5d ago
Kate Winslet had her own share of criticism for Titanic. Too many disgusting critics and public people were making fun of her and calling her "fat". She's been through that ordeal before.
https://people.com/health/kate-winslet-told-she-was-too-fat-during-titanic-debate/
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u/gotsthepockets 5d ago
I still think it's good she's trying to normalize this kind of attitude. Maybe that baggage of celebrity would decrease if they all started taking this stance.
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u/GreasyPeter 5d ago
I feel like British actors have a lot less pressure than American actors because there's less expectations on people in British film to look a certain way. I'm American and our obsession with having everyone in our media be excessively attractive gets tiring really fast.
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
True, especially since your looks is your main ticket to jobs and cash. It’s like somebody at work undermining your certificates, qualifications, academic work, and experience.
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u/bb_LemonSquid 5d ago
Kate Winslet got so much shit back in the day for being “fat” so even if you look like Kate Winslet you’re not immune.
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u/justanawkwardguy Eureka 5d ago
There needs to be some sort of class for celebrities to take to learn how to ignore that shit. Like if they understand it’s all for show/attention/money, then maybe it’ll be easier to brush off
Granted, money can buy you therapy
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u/Monster-Zero 5d ago
It kinda seems like the second worst part of being a celebrity is having to do constant interviews dealing with the same bullshit questions and having to act excited about whatever nonsense you're currently in. Seems like most of those could just be done away with entirely, but then who would keep the lights on over at Variety and TheWrap and the Hollywood Reporter?
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u/InnocentTailor 5d ago
If nothing else, having less bullshit questions is why Hot Ones is seen as a fun, engaging production. The host Evans does his research to give the celebrity thought-provoking, interesting queries.
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u/irreddiate 5d ago
I can't get the image of Kate talking dirty dressed as a nun out of my head. And I don't ever want to.
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u/Lanster27 5d ago
Stick your willy wonka between my oompa loompas. I'mma use that from now.
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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen 4d ago
Where is the womb ferret, you gotta throw that in there!
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u/hillswalker87 5d ago
purple-headed womb ferret....I can't breath.
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u/irreddiate 5d ago
I honestly don't know how any of them kept it together, especially with Kate in full nun regalia while she said that. In fact, I think it took a ridiculous number of takes (see if you can find the outtakes/blooper reel for Extras and you'll see for yourself). 😅
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u/xtothewhy 5d ago
Oh man lol. That is hilarious. And their reactions are perfect.
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u/timk85 5d ago
Finally some common sense out of Hollywood. Rare thing.
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u/thefrankyg 5d ago
Wish some folks would tell it to the actors who play Operators or military in a movie, and all of a sudden thinking they are Billy bad ass cause they hang with operators and such.
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u/timk85 5d ago
Do you have an example?
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u/cahir11 5d ago
Mark Wahlberg once said that if he was on one of the 9/11 flights, it "wouldn't have gone down that way" and he would have landed the plane safely. Tbf he did later apologize for saying that, so even eventually understood that was an idiotic thing to say. But the impulse that made him say it in the first place almost certainly came from him playing badasses in movies.
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u/jyper 4d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Lewin
American-Israeli Computer Scientist and former Israeli special forces Captain was one of the first victims. It's theorized he tried to stop the hijackers and was stabbed by another hijacker. In real life even someone with training isn't likely to overwhelm a larger group without weapons.
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u/IndependentlyBrewed 4d ago
I think it was mentioned by the stewardess when calling the emergency line to let them know what was happening that he had gotten up to stop one of them but another hijacker was sitting behind him, stabbed him, then another slit his throat.
Plus United 93 did retaliate against the hijackers to get to the cockpit. Struggles could be heard over the radio and the belief is the passengers were probably succeeding hence the hijackers taking the plane down realizing they weren’t going to get to the destination. So the idea that he’d take it over and then land the plane is insanity. They’d just drop the plane down to at least kill the people on board.
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u/299314 4d ago
Marky Mark was famously involved in multiple racist assaults as a juvenile where he knocked people out and broke bones.
I don't think he's the archetype of a theater dork who started believing he was a badass because he got cast in an action movie. He was a wannabe tough guy many years before anyone cast him in a movie.
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u/PreacherSquat 4d ago
here's a nice quote when asked about a middle age vietnamese man he beat up
And though the right thing to do would be to try to find the man and make amends, Wahlberg says, he admits he hasn't done so -- but says he's no longer burdened by guilt.
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u/shamelessselfpost 5d ago
Not an example but I think that's one of the reasons why Ben Stiller made Tropic Thunder
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u/Surtock 4d ago
It's not THE Ukraine.
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u/Klutzy-Ranger-8990 4d ago
I don’t think Kate Winslet is propagating Russian apologia, it’s just off the cuff and how Ukraine was referred to in the past
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u/Armleuchterchen 4d ago
Did English used to have this form?
The German form is still "Die Ukraine" (which looks very unfortunate in an English context).
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u/Nick_pj 4d ago
In this particular case, the difference is politically charged. Because the name itself means “border” or “edge”, Russia likes to use the equivalent of “The Ukraine” because it implies that the land exists at the edge of Russia. It undermines the country’s independence.
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u/JediBlight 4d ago
This! Never underestimate the power of language. Just look at Kyiv, bet you know it as 'Kiev', it's all about imperialism, justifification for the horror that were witnessing today.
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u/islandradio 4d ago
I'm not aware of the history/geopolitics but as a Brit, I always heard it referred to as "The Ukraine" growing up. It's only since the conflict that I started hearing people drop the article.
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u/Mysticpoisen 4d ago
It's not been since this conflict, it's been since the fall of the USSR. They've requested to drop the preceding The since 1991.
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u/Rosebunse 5d ago
I think bravery is all about context and circumstance. Within the context of your obsessed Hollywood, sure, it's brave. But yeah, but to remember the context and to not act like you're risking your actual life.
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u/thjth 5d ago
Did anyone watch the regime?
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u/gagreel 5d ago
Honestly, I wanted to like it but the whole thing seemed like a waste of time
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u/rajington 4d ago edited 4d ago
hot take (from a guy with no makeup experience, but maybe an outside perspective):
makeup: it promotes confidence, but not as much as it undermines it. being without makeup becomes a challenge and promotes an unhealthy separation of the public/false vs private/true self. inevitable natural aging triggers more makeup use, or more desperate procedures like "light" cosmetic surgery. i think everyone should be able to do whatever they want to do and give "fashion" a wide berth, but i worry there's trillions being spent and being made to make people feel incomplete and unconfident without buying something.
bravery: it's all relative. you wouldn't tell someone they're not brave for standing up to their boss or standing up in front of a crowd just because there's more brave things. everyone's mental health is relative to themselves, the truth that "there's others worse off" doesn't help someone suicidal. it's good to call out that there's more important things, but an aging (albeit beautiful) actress showing her true self as much as possible is uniquely positioned to contribute to the conversation of makeup use. IMO it's difficult for her, positive for others, and brave.
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u/ArabianAftershock 5d ago
Am I wrong for thinking that it is kinda brave to show yourself nude to a huge audience for a movie?
Like yeah I get it you're not going to war but I don't understand the comparison in the first place, possibly dying is not the only scenario in which bravery occurs lol
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u/LeagueOfLegendsAcc 5d ago
Some people don't take nudity nearly as seriously as others. It's not really surprising to see this take, especially from someone familiar with the work.
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u/likwitsnake 5d ago
Steve Adams on basketball being played at resort during COVID: "This is not Syria mate. It's not that hard..We're living in a bloody resort"